KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Klopp: In or Out?

Just asking as it is getting to be more and more of a common talking point amongst fellow reds with each month that passes. As much as I love the guy, its becoming very clear to me that he isn't capable of improving us. So, a couple of talking points:

1) He's been in charge for 2 years - are we any more likely to win something than under previous managers?
2) After 106 games his wins ratio, points gained and goal difference are worse than Rodgers for the same amount of games
3) Under Brendan, we only ever had 1 problem - an embarrassingly poor defence. Jurgen has done nothing to improve this - we're actually worse. Lovren is a joke, and rather than replace him he gets a new contract!!
4) Sakho has been our best defender since he arrived. He's gone and we're left with Lovren and Klavan. Inexplicable decision making.
5) Moreno - did ok last night if he was playing as a left winger. But he's a defender and cannot defend to save his life. Why is he still here?!?!
6) Jordan Henderson for captain. WHAT THE F U C K!!!!!!

Sadly, I'm struggling to find reasons why we should keep Herr Klopp. Yes we can play good attacking football, but that has always been the case - it's nothing new. And if it's not winning us games, what's the point?

100% agree!

I still remember the team when Klopp took charge, can't attack at all without Sturridge. Couldn't create much chances and cannot beat any teams from the top half of the table.
Lost to West Ham for 0-3 and lost to Stoke for 1-6 at home.

The team has no true wingers and wide players and full of under-performers.

Klopp took charge and he immediate does some magic to our attack. Making us the real force in EPL with great attacking power. Lead us to two finals and make us to CL again.

When you look at the squad and the players we have now and comparing them to two years ago, you can actually find a huge improvement.
We are actually a better team than the last year one. And the last year one is actually a better team than that of a year before. We are no doubt making some huge progress here.

I agree with Heskey that Klopp is improving our squad, but it is a journey, not a sprint (as expected by some fans).

We have to be patient as we didn't spend a lot (we started to spend more this summer but it is just the start of our season) and we do not have too much to spend. We must spend wisely. Everyone yelling at no plan B centre back. Of course, it is always easy to go for plan B/C/D/E/F.... if you have adequate funds. You can go for as much plans as you want if money is not a concern.
But for our case, FSG DO have a limited budget on transfer. We must spend wisely to make sure we dont buy one that is not good enough or not fit into our system. Anyone remember the case of Balotelli? Buying wisely is extremely important in this transfer windows as the price is mad even for an average player. We must accept that Klopp wants to buy someone that can convince him that actually can help our team.
As Klopp said, we wont spend for the sake of spending.
Personally, I dont want to buy someone that Klopp dont want and turn out to be Lovern and Ballotelli version 2.

P.S. To said that Klopp is here for 2 seasons and achieved nothing is a little bit misleading. Klopp actually took charge to the team after the season started and Bredan almost ruined the season already and there was not much that Klopp to do in his first season (and he took us to two finals).

Also, some questions:

Why sign Grujic?
Why sign Chamberlain?
Why play Moreno instead of Milner or Robertson?
Why play Karius?
Why sell Sakho without replacing him?
Why play Henderson?
Why give Lovren a new contract?
And what does Wijnaldum DO!?!?! I rarely realise he's playing!?

This stubbornness is not new but we can't wait for Jan. I think we need to play with a true DM who stays just in front of the CB like Matic and Kante.

The Liverpool job sets high standards and so far he is not meeting them.

No, we don't sack Klopp, that would be silly. He deserves 1 or 2 seasons. I'm saying if the same [oops] continues for the next year or so, you can't say you would be happy nor can you tell people to be patient. I want to know why the [oops] are we not buying good players, I want to know why the [oops] are we happy with a squad of Journey men? Klopp shouldn't get the sack, but surely we can criticize him ?

Its down to Klopp to sort out the the defense problem asap but that ship has sailed i think, why do we have to wait for Jan,then wait until summer,then wait until jan? or buy players to sit unused on the bench ?
We have been doing this for years now and still there are positions that need sorting.
Its unrealistic to expect wins by simply scoring bags full of goals and hoping we don't concede
Im sick and tired of waiting my patience has been worn down and the worst thing is we wait so long for one measly player to plug a gap only for another to open up IE phil will want to go followed swiftly by the likes of Mane,and so it goes on and on and on.....
I wouldn't like to see Klopp sacked but he will be if he doesn't hurry up and address the problems, his head will be on the block without doubt and he will deserve the criticism .

it def cant be Hendo. so i dont know who out of the current can be. but i agree we need one or a makeshift until someone else is signed

I don't think we should get rid of Klopp right now but there are huge question marks for me there have been improvements in forward midfield but that s about it. The Liverpool job sets high standards and so far he is not meeting them. As for the patience thing that seems to be out of favour in the game managers are changed more regularly now. I think he should be given more time but this time is not unlimited the defence has to be sorted this season next season too late.