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So if it's western intervention what has Finland done ? And why are the attackers mainly western ? It's ok don't answer change the subject I wouldn't know as I don't agree with terrorism nor do I know how terrorists think. As you have no problem justifying state sponsored terrorism perhaps you will know. thats just avoiding the question again I'm not sure what part of my answer you didn't understand but then again terrorism isn't my thing.
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Have it your way shaggy luckily for you this is not a problem in Belfast not so for many people in England and Europe
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Have it your way shaggy luckily for you this is not a problem in Belfast not so for many people in England and Europe A huge problem for innocent people in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan also Stan.
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Stan thinks its not credible that bringing shock and awe "crusade"murder and humiliation to the middle east would incite hatred to the west lol. Stan has his head in the sand .. ignores the fact that uk own specialists told Blair this would exactly happen if he went through with it. analysis of official data for the government-supported RAND corporation found that the invasion of Iraq caused a “seven-fold increase in jihadism.”
To ponder why it didn't happen in ancient times is just bizarre ..it did , just to western troops and people down there. Got take into account modern times Stan..population trends, social media etc.. they shout "this is for Syria " most the time.. The old RAND corperation is not known for being left leaning , they are a military think tank - so i would imagine Stan would believe them no?
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London's conservative International Institute for Strategic Studies concluded in 2004 that the occupation of Iraq had become "a potent global recruitment pretext" for jihadists and that the invasion "galvanised" al-Qaeda and "perversely inspired insurgent violence" there.[27] The U.S. National Intelligence Council concluded in a January 2005 report that the war in Iraq had become a breeding ground for a new generation of terrorists; David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats, indicated that the report concluded that the war in Iraq provided terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills... There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries." The Council's Chairman Robert L. Hutchings said, "At the moment, Iraq is a magnet for international terrorist activity."[28] And the 2006 National Intelligence Estimate, which outlined the considered judgment of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, held that "The Iraq conflict has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement."
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London's conservative International Institute for Strategic Studies concluded in 2004 that the occupation of Iraq had become "a potent global recruitment pretext" for jihadists and that the invasion "galvanised" al-Qaeda and "perversely inspired insurgent violence" there.[27] The U.S. National Intelligence Council concluded in a January 2005 report that the war in Iraq had become a breeding ground for a new generation of terrorists; David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats, indicated that the report concluded that the war in Iraq provided terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills... There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries." The Council's Chairman Robert L. Hutchings said, "At the moment, Iraq is a magnet for international terrorist activity."[28] And the 2006 National Intelligence Estimate, which outlined the considered judgment of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, held that "The Iraq conflict has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement." Again why then are the perpetrators not Iraqi ? Why are disgruntled Iraqi citizens not on our streets murdering us ? Why are the people doing it British ? It's fine cutting and pasting something you have googled but what you are saying makes no sense against what is happening. And was not Afghanistan a training ground for jihadists pre 2001 ?
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London's conservative International Institute for Strategic Studies concluded in 2004 that the occupation of Iraq had become "a potent global recruitment pretext" for jihadists and that the invasion "galvanised" al-Qaeda and "perversely inspired insurgent violence" there.[27] The U.S. National Intelligence Council concluded in a January 2005 report that the war in Iraq had become a breeding ground for a new generation of terrorists; David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats, indicated that the report concluded that the war in Iraq provided terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills... There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries." The Council's Chairman Robert L. Hutchings said, "At the moment, Iraq is a magnet for international terrorist activity."[28] And the 2006 National Intelligence Estimate, which outlined the considered judgment of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, held that "The Iraq conflict has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement." Again why then are the perpetrators not Iraqi ? Why are disgruntled Iraqi citizens not on our streets murdering us ? Why are the people doing it British ? It's fine cutting and pasting something you have googled but what you are saying makes no sense against what is happening. And was not Afghanistan a training ground for jihadists pre 2001 ? The perpetrators are muslims and they see other muslims dying at the hands of western powers.
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exactly shaggy it's a religious war a clash of civilisations glad you have admitted it at last. Things like the Iraq war are an excuse they may fan the flames slightly but this is far more than a reaction to that, as said before our involvement in the Middle East in World War Two both British and German Christians was far far in excess of anything in recent years yet there was no Muslim reaction whatsoever. Whabbism was very low key then (it only started in the 30,s) now it's everywhere
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exactly shaggy it's a religious war a clash of civilisations glad you have admitted it at last. Things like the Iraq war are an excuse they may fan the flames slightly but this is far more than a reaction to that, as said before our involvement in the Middle East in World War Two both British and German Christians was far far in excess of anything in recent years yet there was no Muslim reaction whatsoever. Whabbism was very low key then (it only started in the 30,s) now it's everywhere It is not a religious war Stan. It is lunatics who claim to be muslims murdering innocent civilians in the west, whilst lunatics claiming to be christians murder muslims in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. Unbelievably, the British Government sell arms to a muslim state that sponsors terrorism including that which is now happening throughout Europe and you and others like you think that is fine. Apparently the first set of lunatics are terrorists and the second set of lunatics are fighting for freedom. You couldn't make this stuff up.
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Shaggy if you google millions of Christians have been murdered in the Middle East last 5 years or so. We rarely hear about it in press. Last night I watched Manchester 100 days a documentary about the recent Manchester bombing one father impressed me so much he went to pick his daughter up and he is now paralysed from the waist down. The person who did this was a Manchester born man who killed fellow mancunians (parents and kids) because of military action against another country. Is his country not Britain ? From what you have said this is something you can empahise with for me it's utterly incomprehensible
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