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I accept errors will happen when you play as as a sweeper keeper, but Karius is making a bad error a game.
Yep, Matip pass was poor, which is what I said, but the problem is you need to make a judgement on the best option, sometimes you have to play it safe, maybe Karius judgement will improve over time, but seeing him yesterday made me think the 9 months he spent in the PL and on the bench he has learnt nothing.
Karius doesn't look like he'll ever be good enough, I was just pointing out what I believe to be one of the stronger points of his game. If Mignolet can continue with the form shown in the second half of last season then I'll be happy as he was excellent, especially towards the end of the season.
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Similar to last season, great going forward, but always a clanger waiting to happen at the back .....
Accurate assessment. The only advantage Karius has over Mignolet is I think he plays the 'sweeper keeper' role better, he's alert to passes over the top or in behind our defence. Mignolet is better in every other department though so will surely be our Number One. But some of his sweeping gives the ball the to opposition strikers on the edge of our box !!! yesterday he slid down the line on a bad back pass to save a corner but rather than sticking it out of play for a throw in (safe option), he tried a sliding pass to our defender and managed to slice it to the Leicester forward whilst leaving an open goal, only the forwards lack of control and shock at getting the ball saved us. The problem is sometimes you need to take the safe option, he isn't doing that (presumably as Klopp is telling him to always play the ball and not waste possession, like Pep is doing), this causes more problems at the back as the defenders don't know what's going on and get nervous. Playing a sweeper keeper tactic will always result in errors like yesterday although the instance your referring too was a mistake from Matip as well. Even Neuer, one the of best in the world gets his decision making wrong from time to time. Not that I'm comparing Karius to Neuer! No he is not Neuer when it comes to shot stopping and does more errors as well. We are however still leaving too much space at the back
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I accept errors will happen when you play as as a sweeper keeper, but Karius is making a bad error a game.
Yep, Matip pass was poor, which is what I said, but the problem is you need to make a judgement on the best option, sometimes you have to play it safe, maybe Karius judgement will improve over time, but seeing him yesterday made me think the 9 months he spent in the PL and on the bench he has learnt nothing.
Karius doesn't look like he'll ever be good enough, I was just pointing out what I believe to be one of the stronger points of his game. If Mignolet can continue with the form shown in the second half of last season then I'll be happy as he was excellent, especially towards the end of the season. Mignolet is certainly still the number 1 based on the performances so far, Karius was a good buy as he raised Mignolet's game!!! I think in time Karius may come good, but how many mistakes do you put up with before you call it a day? a few bad mistakes and bad results and he'll be gone. Maybe Ward will be given a try now? no point in playing Mignolet in pre-season as we all know what he can do.
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Mignolet is certainly still the number 1 based on the performances so far, Karius was a good buy as he raised Mignolet's game!!! I think in time Karius may come good, but how many mistakes do you put up with before you call it a day? a few bad mistakes and bad results and he'll be gone.
Maybe Ward will be given a try now? no point in playing Mignolet in pre-season as we all know what he can do.
But we need to move forwards playing our first choice 11 in pre-season so they get used to each other, especially if we do sign Van Dijk, communication between central defenders and goalkeeper is vital.
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Mignolet is certainly still the number 1 based on the performances so far, Karius was a good buy as he raised Mignolet's game!!! I think in time Karius may come good, but how many mistakes do you put up with before you call it a day? a few bad mistakes and bad results and he'll be gone.
Maybe Ward will be given a try now? no point in playing Mignolet in pre-season as we all know what he can do.
But we need to move forwards playing our first choice 11 in pre-season so they get used to each other, especially if we do sign Van Dijk, communication between central defenders and goalkeeper is vital. I can't see the VvD situation being resolved anytime soon, I think Southampton will keep us hanging on till the end of the transfer window, and forcing the maximum £££ out of us. I see what your saying about the players getting used playing together, but the defence hasn't really changed apart from Robertson just coming in, who probably won't be first choice LB initially, so the players are used to Mignolet anyway, so I don't think we need to play him pre-season unless we suddenly bring in a few defenders for the first team, like VvD, then I agree we need to play our 1st choice keeper to build that understanding.
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I agree with all the comments about karius but klopp obviously sees something in him he is young and it's pre session we just have to hope we are wrong and klopp is right
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I agree with all the comments about karius but klopp obviously sees something in him he is young and it's pre session we just have to hope we are wrong and klopp is right Just like we hoped for a new stadium and winning the league for the last 27 years or so? Wouldn't it be funny if in a few years time we're still chopping and changing between Mignolet and Karius. Personally I think it was obvious that Karius had no chance of being no 1 this season. He simply hasn't had a sustained period of starting and performing strongly. If he had hit the ground running it would have been fine but there's no way we can risk messing up the season just to give him a chance. I would put Ward ahead of Jarius as he's just perfromed consistently well over a whole season and won promotion. Karius should be sold or loaned out.
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For human compassion reasons I hope there are not still Liverpool supporters around who expect a decent stadium and winning the league I lost hope for those years ago and life is so much better for it.
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For the same reasons I suggest that any hopes about Karius should be nipped in the bud straight away. It would be more fun to hope that De Gea might be so cheesed off now with his current employers and his his preferred owners that he has told them both he wants to move to Anfield.
'I was only in the game for the love of football - and I wanted to bring back happiness to the people of Liverpool.' Bill Shankly
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For the same reasons I suggest that any hopes about Karius should be nipped in the bud straight away. It would be more fun to hope that De Gea might be so cheesed off now with his current employers and his his preferred owners that he has told them both he wants to move to Anfield. Don't worry all expectations will be kept extremely low fortuently something that now comes with ease
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