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Why could we not sign a Bailey type of player? He is hardly what I'd call one of the best around. If VvD is top class and wants to come to us then I don't see why no other top class CB/player wouldn't want to? I don't think CBs the standard of VvD are lining up to play for us. This is why I really want him signed. I have seen 2 CB links so far that being Keane and that guy at Lazio. Give me a loan signing before those 2
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anyway Klopp wants him I think we will be bidding 60m+ for him before the end of the window
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@wilkij
So were going to miss out on a top target based on extra 25million ???
This isn't stones VvD is actually good, bailey is a ball winner he is good for a rigid defensive style of Mourinho , LFC like Barcelona require a different breed of CB based of differing styles of play , koulibally although a rock defensively won't have the technical ability with the ball, is koulibally captain material ?
Klopp's first choice , an extra 25 million overpriced goes a long way in coming seasons , give Southampton what they want then we can moneyball to make up for the extra 25 million .
Have you considered what may happen next season if we don't get top4?
Don't think top targets get easier . If Chelsea and City wanted to bid for VvD we'd have to pay 70+ anyway , in the future FSG must get used to paying above valuation as clubs will compete for top targets , especially when we don't have champions to offer . This opportunity may not come again, all for a pesky 25million inflation , c'mon look at the bigger picture ,
Klopp would have to go through criteria to find another target, and as the window drags prices go further up . FSG's desire for bargains can only take us so far.
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anyway Klopp wants him I think we will be bidding 60m+ for him before the end of the window Me too. I've said all along I think we'll still sign him and certainly wouldn't be unhappy if we did.
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@wilkij
So were going to miss out on a top target based on extra 25million ???
This isn't stones VvD is actually good, bailey is a ball winner he is good for a rigid defensive style of Mourinho , LFC like Barcelona require a different breed of CB based of differing styles of play , koulibally although a rock defensively won't have the technical ability with the ball, is koulibally captain material ?
Klopp's first choice , an extra 25 million overpriced goes a long way in coming seasons , give Southampton what they want then we can moneyball to make up for the extra 25 million .
Have you considered what may happen next season if we don't get top4?
Don't think top targets get easier . If Chelsea and City wanted to bid for VvD we'd have to pay 70+ anyway , in the future FSG must get used to paying above valuation as clubs will compete for top targets , especially when we don't have champions to offer . This opportunity may not come again, all for a pesky 25million inflation , c'mon look at the bigger picture ,
Klopp would have to go through criteria to find another target, and as the window drags prices go further up . FSG's desire for bargains can only take us so far. A piffling little £25m  That's a 50% increase in his 'value' and you'd be happy with that? I'd love to be selling something you want!
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@wilkij Haha fair play  But like I said in the other thread , building a squad , theirs bargains, there youth , theirs flops , and their ruthless spending . Think of ferguson a teams , instead of using a team like Tottenham as an example who won nothing and only showed potential in the league ( not Europe) Use Manchester United as an example , created a legacy , a dynasty for 15+ years Ruthless signings is part of the game This is what FSG-out fans hate about FSG , moneyball doesn't grasp ruthlessness To be ruthless it's about buying key players for key positions where the impact in the squad far exceeds the inflated price tag. Even with VvD, the cost of both our CB is 75+ million as Matip was free, Sometimes we get a bargain, sometimes we spend ruthless money, do we want to win leagues or just miss out with an overachieving squad?
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@wilkij Haha fair play But like I said in the other thread , building a squad , theirs bargains, there youth , theirs flops , and their ruthless spending . Think of ferguson a teams , instead of using a team like Tottenham as an example who won nothing and only showed potential in the league ( not Europe) Use Manchester United as an example , created a legacy , a dynasty for 15+ years Ruthless signings is part of the game This is what FSG-out fans hate about FSG , moneyball doesn't grasp ruthlessness To be ruthless it's about buying key players for key positions where the impact in the squad far exceeds the inflated price tag. Even with VvD, the cost of both our CB is 75+ million as Matip was free, Sometimes we get a bargain, sometimes we spend ruthless money, do we want to win leagues or just miss out with an overachieving squad? If VVD was so good I wonder why we are the only ones after him with Chelsea already going for the German and City now looking that interested?
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@wilkij Haha fair play But like I said in the other thread , building a squad , theirs bargains, there youth , theirs flops , and their ruthless spending . Think of ferguson a teams , instead of using a team like Tottenham as an example who won nothing and only showed potential in the league ( not Europe) Use Manchester United as an example , created a legacy , a dynasty for 15+ years Ruthless signings is part of the game This is what FSG-out fans hate about FSG , moneyball doesn't grasp ruthlessness To be ruthless it's about buying key players for key positions where the impact in the squad far exceeds the inflated price tag. Even with VvD, the cost of both our CB is 75+ million as Matip was free, Sometimes we get a bargain, sometimes we spend ruthless money, do we want to win leagues or just miss out with an overachieving squad? If VVD was so good I wonder why we are the only ones after him with Chelsea already going for the German and City now looking that interested? Mate if you are going to try and argue a point, try not twist facts as it is boring to debate.
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@wilkij Haha fair play But like I said in the other thread , building a squad , theirs bargains, there youth , theirs flops , and their ruthless spending . Think of ferguson a teams , instead of using a team like Tottenham as an example who won nothing and only showed potential in the league ( not Europe) Use Manchester United as an example , created a legacy , a dynasty for 15+ years Ruthless signings is part of the game This is what FSG-out fans hate about FSG , moneyball doesn't grasp ruthlessness To be ruthless it's about buying key players for key positions where the impact in the squad far exceeds the inflated price tag. Even with VvD, the cost of both our CB is 75+ million as Matip was free, Sometimes we get a bargain, sometimes we spend ruthless money, do we want to win leagues or just miss out with an overachieving squad? If VVD was so good I wonder why we are the only ones after him with Chelsea already going for the German and City now looking that interested? Mate if you are going to try and argue a point, try not twist facts as it is boring to debate. Which facts have I twisted...mate?
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VvD has come out and said he wants Liverpool or nothing.
Might that be the reason Chelski and Citeh jumped off the bus?
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