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Ok so it looks like the fans are on the same page , we all want quality over quantity , quality or nothing is fine by me, Klopp can continue being bullish about his targets, showing FSG he means business and won't tolerate moneyball signings in key positions, especially considering both top targets WANT to join us!!! put it this way.



It's really a no brainer for FSG,
but considering FSG seem to lack a brain at times I'm still worried.

The hardest part of change, is the initial stages, Klopp naturally is finding some resistance in the commitee , but let's hope FSG can be convinced to change their strategy for "atleast" one darn window!!!.

I don't think Klopp is getting resistance form the committee but rather the clubs of who he wants to buy as they don't need or want to sell their players.

Your stance is well measured in regards to FSG and the window , reality is most fans are panicking early in the window based on the previous history of FSG so I guess we all have our different limits when we begin to panic .

your point about morata & lukaku makes sense, similar players but different prices, but I just want to say that I don't think theirs many like-for-like players around .

For example lukaku and morata both have decent speed and touch and both tall,

But when looking at players theirs so many factors.

Work rate, consistency, attitude, mentality (big game player)

As it stands theirs only a handful of like for like players
When work rate, attitude , consistency and mentality is concerned

For example hummels , pique may be similar to VvD but lack the pace,
Boateng has the pace lacks the defensive discipline and leadership , Ramos isn't tall enough , is a f***ng c*nt with ego issues, koulibally doesn't have the technical ability in possession, we are talking world class players here and yet they vary a lot based on tactics , Sir Alex didn't keep pique or pogba based on they didn't suit his philosophy yet both are quality .

Keita and Kante renato Sanches, Vidal , Kroos, all similar positions vary in styles that suit different tactics better

I think based on particular criteria Klopp goes with , it's not that easy to truly find realistic like-for-like back ups with same quality , and those back ups wouldn't cost less anyway !!!

Lukaku isn't cheap , in hindsight if morata was mourinhos first choice to lead the line, he could regret not spending extra 10 million for morata ,

Yes true but if FSG suits get put off by Southamptons & leipzigs resistance then it becomes FSG commitee resistance doesn't it?

All top targets have a form of resistance, this is what it feels like competing with the big boys , FSG better get used to it if we want to realistically build a quality squad to compete . That resistance will only get worse .

@ Wilkij

Consider this , if we can't get either one of VvD or keita ( atleast put forth a decent offer with no installments) especially considering both want to join us, furthermore VvD made it clear to Southampton it's LFC or nothing . Plus we've saved money in last two transfer windows , If we "still" can't get our top target


What chance do we have to ever get any quality in the future ???

Going for quality always has competition with rival clubs, if FSG can't handle a bidding war, even after saving money in last 2 windows , then please tell me when they will make a signing of such proportions ?

Inflation will only get worse as window goes on,
It's not like signings will get any easier , and remember we aren't guaranteed we will even qualify for champions league next season, then where does that leave us with signing quality players ???

We can finish fifth next season and suddenly quality is even harder to get and most likely a situation where a top target only chooses us would be extremely rare.

The reality is we have a small window ( no pun intended) of opportunity in this transfer window , we scrapped into 4th, we have saved money in last 2windows, Klopp is just trying to fix the missing peices to an already promising team , it's not like Klopp will demand this again next season, so it's silly to delay such a pivotal opportunity for LFC to move forward.

a year from now can look a different prospect for targets , and that prospect is heavily influenced by whom we sign this window , if we miss out on top 4 we'd have to add better wages to compete with other clubs for top targets anyway , so not paying a little inflation may come back to bite us if we don't get top4 as we'd be dealing with a double edged sword of inflation and no champions league. Paying a little extra now will go a long way on the future .

FSG show resistance by being put off by understandable resistance for top targets , that is unacceptable !!! FSG must get used to it if LFC want to play with the big boys

Well consider this. What if we massively overspend on Keita and VvD? What if then every other team we try to buy from hike the price up as they know/think they'll be able to mug us?

Unfortunately, we have to set our value for any given target and then stick to it, within reason. Paying over the odds for those two when there is similar quality out there for the same kind of money (and probably lots less in the case of VvD) then we have to look else where rather than being mugged just to prove some kind of point whatever that may be.

And why should FSG 'put up with' hiked up prices? None of the big boys really do do they? Utd signed a very well regarded CB for less than half the money for VvD.

We also signed Matip for nothing. Utd will sign Lukaku for close to 100m. We signed Couthino for £8.5, utd signed Pogba for £100. Price comparisons are not always relevant, If we could sign a Bailey for 30m we would probably be all over it. But i'd safely say we can't in this window. You have a budget and you spend it as you need it. We need top class and we probably have a smallish range of top class players willing to come to us. So you either pay the money for them or move onto a lesser class of player.

You buy players per your demand not on what they cost A, B or C.

75+ million for VvD is reasonable , 100 million for keita or VvD is unreasonable
We won't get mugged based on one signing .

I don't think Robertson or the Ox price would increase, with your perspective on hiking prices , we'll never buy anyone good enough ,

It's not based on what LFC do solely with prices , it's also what other English clubs sell/buy for that effects all English clubs , I, theirs a time to not budge and a time to budge, LFC won't have issues of price hike solely based on what they spend , the issues is with what English clubs do , VvD valuation is based on what City spent for stones. It's not like every player from now in must be 75+ million

Why could we not sign a Bailey type of player? He is hardly what I'd call one of the best around. If VvD is top class and wants to come to us then I don't see why no other top class CB/player wouldn't want to?

VvD was £50m before Southampton spat their dummy for not getting their desired bidding war. £75m for a player with one good EPL season (arguably half) and who hasn't played for 6 months isn't reasonable in the slightest.