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Have we bought Gareth Barry from Villa yet please? 
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I may be wrong,but am I sensing some anti-FSG sentiments on here.
Surely not. No Shaggydog, it's not anti FSG, it's anti FSG performance, non performance and just general Shyte performance. Those who are happy to make excuses for all that are welcome to it, but those with a shred of ambition seek better, that's all. So people who don't berate FSG at every opportunity don't have any ambition? What a complete load of rubbish!
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I may be wrong,but am I sensing some anti-FSG sentiments on here.
Surely not. No Shaggydog, it's not anti FSG, it's anti FSG performance, non performance and just general Shyte performance. Those who are happy to make excuses for all that are welcome to it, but those with a shred of ambition seek better, that's all. You are so much better than others with your ambition. You've given me the ambition to be more like you now so I just hope I can fulfill it.
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We have an inferiority complex, fans rather have excuses to not suceed then go through the same sadness of missing another title and failing . Because the hurt has gone on so long, we aren't used to to pressures that come with success and rather stay in our comfort zone of excuses,
Excuses we can't get players , excuses we can't compete, excuses we are still rebuilding. Just listen to Anfield when things start going wrong, the stadium effect has the opposite affect as the players begin carrying 25 years worth of the emotional baggage of fans anxiety that comes with fear of failure ..
I can't blame an LFC fan for feeling that way because even I have felt it,
Just look at the walk out, us fans have more power than we give credit for, we'd rather sulk and feel sorry for ourselves that FSG are not good for us than actually do something about it, this isn't FSG-out/FSG/In
This is LFC win!!!!! And that comes with the risk of failure , so let's stop putting down ambition , we have every right to be ambitious , f***k comparing us to other teams , The fans when they are up for it have the capacity to push players to unbelievable heights ,
We've had three genuine title challenges in 20years
Let's embrace the journey and try again.
Having said that in comes down to the board, because they are stopping Klopp from pivotal signings ..
The reality is regardless of price of players inflated , Anfield supporters need help to bring belief back , whether through dalglish, Suarez or Klopp .
acquiring klopp's top targets will boost the supporters, the true power of LFC is the fans , Klopp realised this against Dortmund 4-3, and the sooner we as a club talk about LFC as an entity , a holy trinity of fans,players and coach , only then can we move forward as a club. the best owners would realise the fan power and facilitate this more , which will lead to direct sucess
How do you facilitate the supporter power??
appease the fans with exciting signings, players that INSPIRE fans, to "feed" the crowd, a synergistic relationship between players and fans.
Keep Anfield - keep all sentimental values and traditions of the club that allow the fans feed off the clubs traditions strengthen the bond between fan and club
-increase seats and lower ticket prices , the more fans that can attend Anfield , the more amplified it's affect and more accessible to the everyday fan to build through younger generations of fans.
This is basic fundamentals , unfortunately money and VISION are hinderences,
Some owners don't have that vision for the club , don't understand the path for Footballing success "not" baseball sucess .
LFC is different from any other English football club so how can anyone who doesn't understand the differences between baseball an football understand the differences between English football and European football or even further the differences between liverpool and other English teams,
We have the power to assist the players, manager AND OWNERS.
The sooner we can work towards a common footballing pathway that leads to sucess without ruining our traditions : the sooner we can voice this to the owners and make change of the clubs self-sabotage mentality that is starting to divide opinions and seperate supporters , which makes things harder but is part of opinion , but ultimately finding a common agreement and acting on it is essential
It is about pushing the train, not jumping on a running train.’ That is what we need here. It’s not allowed to take the history in the backpack
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@chris2402
No one is berating you for anything , that pressure you feel you put on yourself, unfortunately theirs lots of FSG-out who fail to see the good parts of FSG , but when people continually complain about specific issues , it's because those FSGOUT see the specific issues as direct obstacles for sucess and ignoring it is like turning their back on the club's future.
It is about pushing the train, not jumping on a running train.’ That is what we need here. It’s not allowed to take the history in the backpack
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We have an inferiority complex, fans rather have excuses to not suceed then go through the same sadness of missing another title and failing . Because the hurt has gone on so long, we aren't used to to pressures that come with success and rather stay in our comfort zone of excuses,
Excuses we can't get players , excuses we can't compete, excuses we are still rebuilding. Just listen to Anfield when things start going wrong, the stadium effect has the opposite affect as the players begin carrying 25 years worth of the emotional baggage of fans anxiety that comes with fear of failure ..
I can't blame an LFC fan for feeling that way because even I have felt it,
Just look at the walk out, us fans have more power than we give credit for, we'd rather sulk and feel sorry for ourselves that FSG are not good for us than actually do something about it, this isn't FSG-out/FSG/In
This is LFC win!!!!! And that comes with the risk of failure , so let's stop putting down ambition , we have every right to be ambitious , f***k comparing us to other teams , The fans when they are up for it have the capacity to push players to unbelievable heights ,
We've had three genuine title challenges in 20years
Let's embrace the journey and try again.
Having said that in comes down to the board, because they are stopping Klopp from pivotal signings ..
The reality is regardless of price of players inflated , Anfield supporters need help to bring belief back , whether through dalglish, Suarez or Klopp .
acquiring klopp's top targets will boost the supporters, the true power of LFC is the fans , Klopp realised this against Dortmund 4-3, and the sooner we as a club talk about LFC as an entity , a holy trinity of fans,players and coach , only then can we move forward as a club. the best owners would realise the fan power and facilitate this more , which will lead to direct sucess
How do you facilitate the supporter power??
appease the fans with exciting signings, players that INSPIRE fans, to "feed" the crowd, a synergistic relationship between players and fans.
Keep Anfield - keep all sentimental values and traditions of the club that allow the fans feed off the clubs traditions strengthen the bond between fan and club
-increase seats and lower ticket prices , the more fans that can attend Anfield , the more amplified it's affect and more accessible to the everyday fan to build through younger generations of fans.
This is basic fundamentals , unfortunately money and VISION are hinderences,
Some owners don't have that vision for the club , don't understand the path for Footballing success "not" baseball sucess .
LFC is different from any other English football club so how can anyone who doesn't understand the differences between baseball an football understand the differences between English football and European football or even further the differences between liverpool and other English teams,
We have the power to assist the players, manager AND OWNERS.
The sooner we can work towards a common footballing pathway that leads to sucess without ruining our traditions : the sooner we can voice this to the owners and make change of the clubs self-sabotage mentality that is starting to divide opinions and seperate supporters , which makes things harder but is part of opinion , but ultimately finding a common agreement and acting on it is essential
Yesssss, we should kidnap Keita and now.
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I may be wrong,but am I sensing some anti-FSG sentiments on here.
Surely not. No Shaggydog, it's not anti FSG, it's anti FSG performance, non performance and just general Shyte performance. Those who are happy to make excuses for all that are welcome to it, but those with a shred of ambition seek better, that's all. No Herc, it's a whinge fest. How many threads are there now complaining about FSG. They are far from ideal owners but they are nowhere near the demons that some would have you believe on here. Why don't we see what players we end up with at the end of the transfer window before we all get our knickers in a twist. Patience has become a thing of the past when it comes to the modern football fan.
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I may be wrong,but am I sensing some anti-FSG sentiments on here.
Surely not. No Shaggydog, it's not anti FSG, it's anti FSG performance, non performance and just general Shyte performance. Those who are happy to make excuses for all that are welcome to it, but those with a shred of ambition seek better, that's all. No Herc, it's a whinge fest. How many threads are there now complaining about FSG. They are far from ideal owners but they are nowhere near the demons that some would have you believe on here. Why don't we see what players we end up with at the end of the transfer window before we all get our knickers in a twist. Patience has become a thing of the past when it comes to the modern football fan. Well We'll see Shaggy, maybe FSG will change their spots and show some ambition by signing Klopp's 1st choice targets this window, and by doing so show some ambition, uand as you say it'll take until the end of this window to establish if they will or not. However the signs aren't exactly promising and after six years of selling our best and buying in prospects season after season, whileshowing little or no ambition, who can blame fans for berating their performance, which let's face it, has been abysmal. In that 6+ years we've signed somewhere around 40 players and the best that can be said is that about 5 - 6 have been fair to goodish. That's what FSGs moneyball policy gets you. I'm not happy with that and I want them to show more ambition. I'm saying it loud and clear, and despite demonisation by a few, I'll continue to say it loud and clear. FSG MUST BEGIN TO SHOW MORE AMBITION.
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So do you like FSG or not then?
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@chris2402
No one is berating you for anything , that pressure you feel you put on yourself, unfortunately theirs lots of FSG-out who fail to see the good parts of FSG , but when people continually complain about specific issues , it's because those FSGOUT see the specific issues as direct obstacles for sucess and ignoring it is like turning their back on the club's future.
What are you going on about? I haven't said anyone is berating me, I've said I'm bored of those who constantly berate FSG and have nothing else to talk about in the whole world of football. I'm also not feeling any pressure so maybe you should stop trying to psycho-analyse me and actually read what I post.
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