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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
You said the west was responsible for what these people are doing didn't you so surely there is justification for their attacks?


On innocent civilians? shocked

Errr, I think not old chap.

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Syria was definitely peaceful before the world powers decided to give them democracy. a beautiful piece of land.burnt n destroyed now.none of anyones fooking business what kind of democracy is there or what is dictator doing. people were in peace n they had food. wernt being bombed.


No world power decided to give them democracy, it all began with the Arab spring in Tunisia with the people uprisung wanting democracy. I am not sure why you say world powers wanted democracy in Syria. In fact it is easier to blame the West for supporting dictators in Iraq and Egypt, i.e. Saddam and Mubarak.


supported till they were yes men. Arab spring is smokescreen too.


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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
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Syria was definitely peaceful before the world powers decided to give them democracy. a beautiful piece of land.burnt n destroyed now.none of anyones fooking business what kind of democracy is there or what is dictator doing. people were in peace n they had food. wernt being bombed.


What did the west have to do with Syria? Wasn't it their people decided to try and change based on what they'd seen else where in some Arab countries?


so let the people decide then.kill n fight each other. first create/support Alqaedas and ISISs and then invade countries to clean up the mess?
The Map of Middle east is changing.Look at Iraq,Libya,Yemen,Syria.there are reasons why west is interested in the region.go figure


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Originally Posted By Muj
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
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Syria was definitely peaceful before the world powers decided to give them democracy. a beautiful piece of land.burnt n destroyed now.none of anyones fooking business what kind of democracy is there or what is dictator doing. people were in peace n they had food. wernt being bombed.


What did the west have to do with Syria? Wasn't it their people decided to try and change based on what they'd seen else where in some Arab countries?


so let the people decide then.kill n fight each other. first create/support Alqaedas and ISISs and then invade countries to clean up the mess?
The Map of Middle east is changing.Look at Iraq,Libya,Yemen,Syria.there are reasons why west is interested in the region.go figure


We left Syria alone for ages even though there were calls for us to help those being slaughtered. I couldn't really give a toss whether we helped them or not as we could spend the money fixing our own problems.

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Watching the BBC news tonight (western propaganda?) what it showed was not Muslims fighting against the west as many on here would have you believe. What it showed was Muslims fighting alongside western air support and probably alongside western special forces. It also showed displaced civilians showing anger towards ISIS which apparently in Mosul consist of a few hundred men now fighting to the death hand to hand street by street in a manner similar to Stalingrad in WW2. Probably in weeks Iraq will now be rid of ISIS and their brutality. So for us to leave now as some are suggesting seems to me the height of madness. Will this defeat Islamic terrorism in the world ? No but it's a step towards it I personally believe we need a serious discussion among world leaders (including the Muslim States) because as is clear to all this war is not just in foreign lands but on our doorstep as well. All my life in the UK I have lived near to towns with big Muslim populations and the total segregation is striking the only thing the two elements have in common is they breathe the same air. This cannot be healthy one thing I blame is the past policies of British governments on mult culturism which celebrates differences as opposed to Americas mult racial model which focuses on things communities have in common. In America a Muslim is likely to have an American flag on his front lawn in the UK a Muslim wearing an England shirt could face hostility from their communities. This is not right or healthy for our society. We need to have one nation one set of values where anyone is welcomed whatever their background this compartmentalisation has to be challenged


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Watching the BBC news tonight (western propaganda?) what it showed was not Muslims fighting against the west as many on here would have you believe. What it showed was Muslims fighting alongside western air support and probably alongside western special forces. It also showed displaced civilians showing anger towards ISIS which apparently in Mosul consist of a few hundred men now fighting to the death hand to hand street by street in a manner similar to Stalingrad in WW2. Probably in weeks Iraq will now be rid of ISIS and their brutality. So for us to leave now as some are suggesting seems to me the height of madness. Will this defeat Islamic terrorism in the world ? No but it's a step towards it I personally believe we need a serious discussion among world leaders (including the Muslim States) because as is clear to all this war is not just in foreign lands but on our doorstep as well. All my life in the UK I have lived near to towns with big Muslim populations and the total segregation is striking the only thing the two elements have in common is they breathe the same air. This cannot be healthy one thing I blame is the past policies of British governments on mult culturism which celebrates differences as opposed to Americas mult racial model which focuses on things communities have in common. In America a Muslim is likely to have an American flag on his front lawn in the UK a Muslim wearing an England shirt could face hostility from their communities. This is not right or healthy for our society. We need to have one nation one set of values where anyone is welcomed whatever their background this compartmentalisation has to be challenged


You have hit the nail on the head. We need integration not segregation.

ISIS are militarily weak and their imminent defeat is welcoming all be it hardly surprising.

The battle in the west is something entirely different as it cannot be won militarily. In that sense it is quite similar to the conflict in N. Ireland. Neither side was going to defeat the other so in the end a negotiated settlement was agreed upon. We need Muslims, christians, politicians and law enforcement groups to all work with each other and to strive towards finding common ground. This of course will not happen overnight but it is the only feasible way forward if we are to see and end to the mindless slaughter of innocent people on our streets. A clear plan on what the wests intentions are in the Middle East would surely also help.

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The conflict is similar to Northern Ireland shaggy but the resolution is very different. Ireland was political and a political solution was found. The issue with Islam is cultural and religious the thing they seem to be against is values that don't comply with one interpretation of the Koran such as women's mode of dress drinking and so one. There can never be any compromise on that in western society. What the answer is I don't know but I have long believed these totally segregated societies we have in Britain (and probably Europe) are very dangerous.


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I see that compromise every day.


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I suppose this problem wont be solved if people arent allowed to get together and discuss their fears and differences because of the PC brigade,we need to identify our problems to move forward first but at times most just want to throw insults and slap down others opinions when they dont agree.
I may have caught the wrong end of the stick but did i hear that The london mayor banned posters from buses of women in beach bikini's and promoted the Hijab instead?
If that is true and the way forward is to be forcing women to cover up then This lady is not for compromising im afraid.
At the same time as a women i wouldnt feel very secure seeing thousands of women covered head to toe even if they want to,it scares me that right or wrong, i would feel it may be a slippery slope for women at least.
I mean imagine if all women forced all men to wear lycra eek (see Wilki) wink


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Lycra is the work of the devil.

Furthermore all those middle aged men are using cycling as a cover for their weekly Lycra fetish group meetings.

More aerodynamic me hole.

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