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He may even be better than Mane in terms of speed and dribbling, Roma scored over 90 goals last season and he was involved in 25% of them , he's got great ability to increase our goals and threat in attacking ,
Mane is proven in this country, Salah isn't. Everyone isn't proven until they are proven if we go like that we'll never have any players , all imports aren't proven at one point, I get it it's a lot of money and we'd rather pay a premium for the ones who succeed, but the risk is part of the success, the biggest clubs in the world take that risk too, buying expensive imports, Alexis Sanchez to arsenal, Willian to Chelsea, De Bruyne for City , these were risks, and so is Salah, even Coutinho struggled first season, if he signed for Chelsea from inter instead of LFC, chances are he'd be considered a flop and loaned/sold, The guy ticks all boxes for Klopp other than he isn't proven..
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I still think Mike Gordon is producing the lists of players based on stats and Klopp has given his preferred choices from those lists. A ceiling figure based on age, current performance and potential is generated. Edwards is currently going down the list with I would imagine opening offers for players below the ceiling figure, Klopp's preferred choices currently being priority but also taking advantage of some clubs need to balance their books by the end of the month for FPP, hence why we have this current standoff for Salah.
It looks like Milner is going to carry on this coming season as no1 LB which is worrying! The Goalkeeping situation was also an area that needed serious addressing and so far we've not been associated with a Goalkeeper. We also needed an upgrade for a specialised DM because other than Lucas we don't have anybody and it's still in the air if Lucas is leaving.
We can speculate and say the window isn't open yet but clubs are purchasing players and we currently are not!
I reckon because Klopp is prioritising salah and VvD he may have to splash excess for them especially VvD, which will eat up plenty of the transfer budget , so yes we may still not strengthen midfield or LB, But to be honest I'd rather we get two first choice players in VvD and Salah then 7+moneyball signings that we'd sell off next season. Moreno is probably better than Robertson anyway , it's easy to forget he played important role for us against man Utd, Dortmund, Villarreal in Europa league, Grujic and Can will get more gametime, along with Coutinho maybe going deeper too, Solanke will be challenging Origi for a place on bench , salah, mane firmino, Sturridge battle for three spots, not saying it's ideal but should be good enough for now. Plus we still have markovic, could loan a Dortmund player( which is a sign Klopp is resolute to invest large chunks of money on VvD) meaning he'll temporarily cover positions with loans until he can afford players on January or if we offload players . Klopp trying to get world class players with FSG's tight budget, the compromise is quantity but hopefully not quality
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Seriously though, not sure if I'm being impatient or FSG are again taking f******g ages to sort out this Salah deal, it just feels like something [oops] is gonna pop up cos were f******g about with it. There is a standoff as Roma must balance their books with FFP by the end of June, so Liverpool are hanging on to see how desperate Roma get so they can drive the price down, but I suspect another club may come in and if they do and match our price, I'm sure Roma would rather take their money than ours. The way we have dealt with Salah, is similar to VvD at Southampton, this is affecting our reputation in the Football world, so will make it harder for us to sign players if we mess clubs around. To be fair, its a business, so Liverpool can try and get the best deal they can, but the selling clubs also have the right to get the best deal, which means we often miss out as clubs come in and take players we have been bidding for. Also for the player, it must make you wonder if Liverpool really want you if they see us haggling and delaying the move, then another club comes in paying the money saying they want the player, you can see why the player would say Liverpool had their chance and blew it. 100% agree , the haggling doesn't inspire the player to join us that's for sure, it backfires with the players desire to join, backfires reputation of LFC, Kindve shows FSG don't really care cos they'll sell the club once they have got all the profit they can , LFC reputation doesn't concern them , such a damning reality!!!!!!
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Seriously though, not sure if I'm being impatient or FSG are again taking f******g ages to sort out this Salah deal, it just feels like something [oops] is gonna pop up cos were f******g about with it. There is a standoff as Roma must balance their books with FFP by the end of June, so Liverpool are hanging on to see how desperate Roma get so they can drive the price down, but I suspect another club may come in and if they do and match our price, I'm sure Roma would rather take their money than ours. The way we have dealt with Salah, is similar to VvD at Southampton, this is affecting our reputation in the Football world, so will make it harder for us to sign players if we mess clubs around. To be fair, its a business, so Liverpool can try and get the best deal they can, but the selling clubs also have the right to get the best deal, which means we often miss out as clubs come in and take players we have been bidding for. Also for the player, it must make you wonder if Liverpool really want you if they see us haggling and delaying the move, then another club comes in paying the money saying they want the player, you can see why the player would say Liverpool had their chance and blew it. 100% agree , the haggling doesn't inspire the player to join us that's for sure, it backfires with the players desire to join, backfires reputation of LFC, Kindve shows FSG don't really care cos they'll sell the club once they have got all the profit they can , LFC reputation doesn't concern them , such a damning reality!!!!!! Do you really think we should buy a central defender for more than 50m, Southampton is apparently looking for more than 60m? United has just bought one for 30m rising to 38m.
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Seriously though, not sure if I'm being impatient or FSG are again taking f******g ages to sort out this Salah deal, it just feels like something [oops] is gonna pop up cos were f******g about with it. There is a standoff as Roma must balance their books with FFP by the end of June, so Liverpool are hanging on to see how desperate Roma get so they can drive the price down, but I suspect another club may come in and if they do and match our price, I'm sure Roma would rather take their money than ours. The way we have dealt with Salah, is similar to VvD at Southampton, this is affecting our reputation in the Football world, so will make it harder for us to sign players if we mess clubs around. To be fair, its a business, so Liverpool can try and get the best deal they can, but the selling clubs also have the right to get the best deal, which means we often miss out as clubs come in and take players we have been bidding for. Also for the player, it must make you wonder if Liverpool really want you if they see us haggling and delaying the move, then another club comes in paying the money saying they want the player, you can see why the player would say Liverpool had their chance and blew it. 100% agree , the haggling doesn't inspire the player to join us that's for sure, it backfires with the players desire to join, backfires reputation of LFC, Kindve shows FSG don't really care cos they'll sell the club once they have got all the profit they can , LFC reputation doesn't concern them , such a damning reality!!!!!! Do you really think we should buy a central defender for more than 50m, Southampton is apparently looking for more than 60m? United has just bought one for 30m rising to 38m. That's because they're United. Nobody wants to deal with us anymore, unless they're ripping us off for silly money. That's what we get foor being absolute pric*s in the transfer market.
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Seriously though, not sure if I'm being impatient or FSG are again taking f******g ages to sort out this Salah deal, it just feels like something [oops] is gonna pop up cos were f******g about with it. There is a standoff as Roma must balance their books with FFP by the end of June, so Liverpool are hanging on to see how desperate Roma get so they can drive the price down, but I suspect another club may come in and if they do and match our price, I'm sure Roma would rather take their money than ours. The way we have dealt with Salah, is similar to VvD at Southampton, this is affecting our reputation in the Football world, so will make it harder for us to sign players if we mess clubs around. To be fair, its a business, so Liverpool can try and get the best deal they can, but the selling clubs also have the right to get the best deal, which means we often miss out as clubs come in and take players we have been bidding for. Also for the player, it must make you wonder if Liverpool really want you if they see us haggling and delaying the move, then another club comes in paying the money saying they want the player, you can see why the player would say Liverpool had their chance and blew it. 100% agree , the haggling doesn't inspire the player to join us that's for sure, it backfires with the players desire to join, backfires reputation of LFC, Kindve shows FSG don't really care cos they'll sell the club once they have got all the profit they can , LFC reputation doesn't concern them , such a damning reality!!!!!! Do you really think we should buy a central defender for more than 50m, Southampton is apparently looking for more than 60m? United has just bought one for 30m rising to 38m. To be honest I just want VvD, I reckon Klopp is desperate to get him and he will go up to 60-70 million for him , I'd do it only because it's VvD, it would be nice to conclude this saga with a little victory, I'm not bothered if it's overpriced, it says a lot about a shift in LFC's transfer strategy if we can buy him, after all the years of moneyball spending , I think FSG owe us to overspend on VvD, plus it's not just for the sake of spending, he's world class and Klopp's #1 priority .. So ye let's go for it! Getting a playing that means city and Chelsea miss out, may go a long way in shifting the balance of power
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He may even be better than Mane in terms of speed and dribbling, Roma scored over 90 goals last season and he was involved in 25% of them , he's got great ability to increase our goals and threat in attacking ,
Mane is proven in this country, Salah isn't. Everyone isn't proven until they are proven if we go like that we'll never have any players , all imports aren't proven at one point, I get it it's a lot of money and we'd rather pay a premium for the ones who succeed, but the risk is part of the success, the biggest clubs in the world take that risk too, buying expensive imports, Alexis Sanchez to arsenal, Willian to Chelsea, De Bruyne for City , these were risks, and so is Salah, even Coutinho struggled first season, if he signed for Chelsea from inter instead of LFC, chances are he'd be considered a flop and loaned/sold, The guy ticks all boxes for Klopp other than he isn't proven.. I don't disagree with anything you've said but you originally said Salah could be better than Mane and there isn't any evidence at the moment that backs that up. Hopefully I'm wrong if and when Salah does sign for us.
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Seriously though, not sure if I'm being impatient or FSG are again taking f******g ages to sort out this Salah deal, it just feels like something [oops] is gonna pop up cos were f******g about with it. There is a standoff as Roma must balance their books with FFP by the end of June, so Liverpool are hanging on to see how desperate Roma get so they can drive the price down, but I suspect another club may come in and if they do and match our price, I'm sure Roma would rather take their money than ours. The way we have dealt with Salah, is similar to VvD at Southampton, this is affecting our reputation in the Football world, so will make it harder for us to sign players if we mess clubs around. To be fair, its a business, so Liverpool can try and get the best deal they can, but the selling clubs also have the right to get the best deal, which means we often miss out as clubs come in and take players we have been bidding for. Also for the player, it must make you wonder if Liverpool really want you if they see us haggling and delaying the move, then another club comes in paying the money saying they want the player, you can see why the player would say Liverpool had their chance and blew it. 100% agree , the haggling doesn't inspire the player to join us that's for sure, it backfires with the players desire to join, backfires reputation of LFC, Kindve shows FSG don't really care cos they'll sell the club once they have got all the profit they can , LFC reputation doesn't concern them , such a damning reality!!!!!! Do you really think we should buy a central defender for more than 50m, Southampton is apparently looking for more than 60m? United has just bought one for 30m rising to 38m. I like VvD and he would improve our team, but I think he's massively overpriced as I have said a few times, as our most players these days. To me, it doesn't matter how much VvD costs, the people running LFC know what they can afford, so if they can afford him and he comes in and solves the defensive weaknesses we have had for the last 5 years, it's money well spent in my book!!! My point isn't about individual players and signings, it's about the clubs general approach, we dither for players, seem interested, but don't follow through or haggle for an age, if we're not going to pay near the price, don't make the move/bid, as it weakens our position going forward, when we haggle for weeks it gives our opponents the chance to come in and rival us, maybe they didn't know the player was available/willing to move. We could have got Salah a few years ago for a few £million more when we offered around £10 million I believe, we stalled and haggled, Chelsea nipped in and paid the fee and got him, now we are about to pay 3 times as much for him !!! Look at Everton today, they have signed a very good keeper for a pretty large fee, there wasn't weeks of haggling when they tried to get the player for 2/3 of his value, and leaks to the press, they agreed a fee and sealed the deal, that's how it should be done. P*ss or get off the pot !!!
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If Klopp wants him then i too would say it doesn't matter how much VvD costs ,he's the manager ffs.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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If Klopp wants him then i too would say it doesn't matter how much VvD costs ,he's the manager ffs. But the manager has a budget for sure, he cannot wish to have a player at any price. I am sure he wants to buy more than a couple of players and spending 65-75m on a central defender makes no sense to me.
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