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I agree with Vish it's probably gone too far whoevers fault it is really does not matter. For western societies and non Muslim communities the issue is now one of survival. I have family in Sweden if you think I am right wing you want to hear their opinions. Sweden is finished their society has been devastated bringing in millions of uneducated young men from a society completely different with different values to women children homosexuals etc mixing that with what was a highly liberal country. It's depressing and frightening Summed up very nicely in just 8 words. So, moving on swiftly instead of arguing the toss between us, how's it logically going to be sorted to everyone's satisfaction? 
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In my opinion growler immediately we need to stop all immigration from Muslim countries except in very specifc and individual cases with the individuals very closely vetted indeed and monitored for a period once in the country. All jihadis to be deported or interned until the war on terror is over if that means they never come out so be it. We do need to learn lessons foreign policy particularly leaving leaving political vacuums like Iraq / Libya but we still have to be prepared to intervene NATO should be redefined for that purpose. Then the Muslim communities remaining should be welcomed no racism should be tolerated but we need to work with them on integration how I have no idea but find a way we must.
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In my opinion growler immediately we need to stop all immigration from Muslim countries except in very specifc and individual cases with the individuals very closely vetted indeed and monitored for a period once in the country. All jihadis to be deported or interned until the war on terror is over if that means they never come out so be it. We do need to learn lessons foreign policy particularly leaving leaving political vacuums like Iraq / Libya but we still have to be prepared to intervene NATO should be redefined for that purpose. Then the Muslim communities remaining should be welcomed no racism should be tolerated but we need to work with them on integration how I have no idea but find a way we must. You cannot do that and will cause more trouble, look at what happened when Trump just tried it. You should however make it very much harder and with stringent vetting. The problem today however is not with those coming, maybe in a couple of decades, you need to deal with those on your soil immediately. Somebody promoting ISIS like the terrorists who did it in front of a camera should be tagged or jailed, laws should be toughened and more resources should be given to the police.
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In my opinion growler immediately we need to stop all immigration from Muslim countries except in very specifc and individual cases with the individuals very closely vetted indeed and monitored for a period once in the country. All jihadis to be deported or interned until the war on terror is over if that means they never come out so be it. We do need to learn lessons foreign policy particularly leaving leaving political vacuums like Iraq / Libya but we still have to be prepared to intervene NATO should be redefined for that purpose. Then the Muslim communities remaining should be welcomed no racism should be tolerated but we need to work with them on integration how I have no idea but find a way we must. You cannot do that and will cause more trouble, look at what happened when Trump just tried it. You should however make it very much harder and with stringent vetting. The problem today however is not with those coming, maybe in a couple of decades, you need to deal with those on your soil immediately. Somebody promoting ISIS like the terrorists who did it in front of a camera should be tagged or jailed, laws should be toughened and more resources should be given to the police. Vish what you said about immigration is more or less what I said. The trouble trump had was with the White liberal establishment in America and I notice they have gone rather quiet of late. The rest of what you say I am in agreement other than a few hard core liberals who would rather die than be proved wrong this is the position of the majority accross the world I am sure. I see today Australia is to strip all jihadis of citizenship good on them in news also in Britain today a woman going to work has been slashed by a knife by three Muslim women shouting about Allah. The next major killing could come at anytime this has to stop
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In my opinion growler immediately we need to stop all immigration from Muslim countries except in very specifc and individual cases with the individuals very closely vetted indeed and monitored for a period once in the country. All jihadis to be deported or interned until the war on terror is over if that means they never come out so be it. We do need to learn lessons foreign policy particularly leaving leaving political vacuums like Iraq / Libya but we still have to be prepared to intervene NATO should be redefined for that purpose. Then the Muslim communities remaining should be welcomed no racism should be tolerated but we need to work with them on integration how I have no idea but find a way we must. You cannot do that and will cause more trouble, look at what happened when Trump just tried it. You should however make it very much harder and with stringent vetting. The problem today however is not with those coming, maybe in a couple of decades, you need to deal with those on your soil immediately. Somebody promoting ISIS like the terrorists who did it in front of a camera should be tagged or jailed, laws should be toughened and more resources should be given to the police. Vish what you said about immigration is more or less what I said. The trouble trump had was with the White liberal establishment in America and I notice they have gone rather quiet of late. The rest of what you say I am in agreement other than a few hard core liberals who would rather die than be proved wrong this is the position of the majority accross the world I am sure. I see today Australia is to strip all jihadis of citizenship good on them in news also in Britain today a woman going to work has been slashed by a knife by three Muslim women shouting about Allah. The next major killing could come at anytime this has to stop It's not about the liberals in US, Trump is a [oops]. You cannot ban anybody only because of his origin or religion, you can have specific tougher procedures. You cannot discriminate a full population, this is wrong. This is how racism works. If there is a problem with radical Islam, you need to target them, not all Muslims.
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Vish the problem is demographics given what we know and experience it's obvious Muslim and none Muslim populations don't mix there are exceptions but that is the experience across the world. So to go to a position where Muslims are the majority in Britain France Germany etc would be national suicide. And you can't deal with integration when this situation prevails.
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Vish the problem is demographics given what we know and experience it's obvious Muslim and none Muslim populations don't mix there are exceptions but that is the experience across the world. So to go to a position where Muslims are the majority in Britain France Germany etc would be national suicide. And you can't deal with integration when this situation prevails. But your immigration is never going to be more than your locals and you will control that. I think you have less than 5m Muslims which is less than 10% of you population. I don't think that all migrants will come from Muslim countries or you have to accept all applications. Yes, you could have lots of migrants from the EU before the Brexit, but, the Muslim population in the EU, especially Eastern Europe is low. With your ageing population you will need to increase migrants, there is no choice if you want to grow, do you think it's wiser to open doors to Poland or Pakistan? Whose citizens are more likely to integrate? This is why Turkey was never accepted in the EU
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Vish the problem is demographics given what we know and experience it's obvious Muslim and none Muslim populations don't mix there are exceptions but that is the experience across the world. So to go to a position where Muslims are the majority in Britain France Germany etc would be national suicide. And you can't deal with integration when this situation prevails. But your immigration is never going to be more than your locals and you will control that. I think you have less than 5m Muslims which is less than 10% of you population. I don't think that all migrants will come from Muslim countries or you have to accept all applications. Yes, you could have lots of migrants from the EU before the Brexit, but, the Muslim population in the EU, especially Eastern Europe is low. With your ageing population you will need to increase migrants, there is no choice if you want to grow, do you think it's wiser to open doors to Poland or Pakistan? Whose citizens are more likely to integrate? This is why Turkey was never accepted in the EU To be fair most of the immigrants to Britain are Christian but certainly France and Germany need to take care merkels policy was lunacy for which Germany is now paying. I don't get the ageing population argument with the new robots coming into the workplace demand for labour will be lower unskilled labour almost nil any employment will require skills in the future. Robots soon will even drive vehicles.
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Vish the problem is demographics given what we know and experience it's obvious Muslim and none Muslim populations don't mix there are exceptions but that is the experience across the world. So to go to a position where Muslims are the majority in Britain France Germany etc would be national suicide. And you can't deal with integration when this situation prevails. But your immigration is never going to be more than your locals and you will control that. I think you have less than 5m Muslims which is less than 10% of you population. I don't think that all migrants will come from Muslim countries or you have to accept all applications. Yes, you could have lots of migrants from the EU before the Brexit, but, the Muslim population in the EU, especially Eastern Europe is low. With your ageing population you will need to increase migrants, there is no choice if you want to grow, do you think it's wiser to open doors to Poland or Pakistan? Whose citizens are more likely to integrate? This is why Turkey was never accepted in the EU To be fair most of the immigrants to Britain are Christian but certainly France and Germany need to take care merkels policy was lunacy for which Germany is now paying. I don't get the ageing population argument with the new robots coming into the workplace demand for labour will be lower unskilled labour almost nil any employment will require skills in the future. Robots soon will even drive vehicles. What will you do if they are muslim robots?
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Depends who programs them hopefully we can program them not to kill us and get on with their religion peacefully
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