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On a level with arsenal but not United
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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Arsenal have allot of uncertainty around the manager and players like Sanchez/Ozul and no CL, so I think we are above them in attracting players if we pay the going rate wages.
Man Utd can bribe players with bigger money, we cannot compete with that, but we can offer players CL and regular first team football, I doubt we will be going head to head for the likes of Griezmann/Bale etc who Utd will be after.
That proves what a miserable mistake it was not to invest in a 70- 75,000 seat stadium. Had we done that we could compete with United as our merchandising, sponsorship, etc is increasing and the incomes wouldn't be that far apart. UTD stadium ground size is not why they are so far ahead, Arsenal's gate receipts per game are higher than Utd as they charge more per seat. Utd came to dominance at the right time in the early 90's, when football went global with TV coverage, so they have a global fan base due to their success, they have really maximised their brand/merchandising, where most clubs, including us, have not.
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Gate receipts are important, but they are probably one of the smaller parts of it. Global brand and trophies are bigger parts, which is why Chelsea has been able to pull away the way they have recently. Despite their fall from grace, they have dominated English football for 20 years, and even in their relative barren spell since 2012-13 when they last won the league, they've still won an FA Cup, a league cup, and possibly a Europa league in that time.
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Arsenal have allot of uncertainty around the manager and players like Sanchez/Ozul and no CL, so I think we are above them in attracting players if we pay the going rate wages.
Man Utd can bribe players with bigger money, we cannot compete with that, but we can offer players CL and regular first team football, I doubt we will be going head to head for the likes of Griezmann/Bale etc who Utd will be after.
That proves what a miserable mistake it was not to invest in a 70- 75,000 seat stadium. Had we done that we could compete with United as our merchandising, sponsorship, etc is increasing and the incomes wouldn't be that far apart. A new stadium will also mean more cost to the club, in fact, more costs than revenues for at least 10 years. Do you get the drift?
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If London was why players signed there would be none in the north But there are players in the north The London excuse or any other town/city is usaual used when players have semi committed to go to a club then find out they can get more money elsewhere so rather than say I wanted more money they say I like that city better ! We all know they are greedy so they will go where the money is like at utd The reason we fail is we don't out bid and out salary our targets so on a level playing field or a bit towards London they pick London as would I and if I could get more money at Lfc I would pick Liverpool that's the truth of it really Sanchez and Fabregas both cited London as a reason not to join Liverpool. Barca offered both in a swap deal for Suarez. It's a massive reason. A lot of the foreign players love the idea of London there is a huge divide happening all the money is heading south.
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If London was why players signed there would be none in the north But there are players in the north The London excuse or any other town/city is usaual used when players have semi committed to go to a club then find out they can get more money elsewhere so rather than say I wanted more money they say I like that city better ! We all know they are greedy so they will go where the money is like at utd The reason we fail is we don't out bid and out salary our targets so on a level playing field or a bit towards London they pick London as would I and if I could get more money at Lfc I would pick Liverpool that's the truth of it really Sanchez and Fabregas both cited London as a reason not to join Liverpool. Barca offered both in a swap deal for Suarez. It's a massive reason. A lot of the foreign players love the idea of London there is a huge divide happening all the money is heading south. All things being equal, yes, London is a better attraction than Liverpool, however, this advantage can be overcome by giving higher wages. This is why City and United can easily compete with London clubs to get players.
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The Atlantic Gateway could be our greatest leveller with London! Opportunities once we finally break the shackles of the EU will come thick and fast!
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The Atlantic Gateway could be our greatest leveller with London! Opportunities once we finally break the shackles of the EU will come thick and fast! Getting out of the EU will not strengthen the case of the Atlantic gateway, on the contrary. UK is a smaller market on its own, therefore has a smaller captive market. If goods could travel freely from mainland Europe to UK, then it would have been a more important gateway between Europe and America, now it will be between UK and America which is not as significant. I am not sure what you mean.
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Why are footballers greedy for going where the money is? If you had a choice between 2 companies with zero affiliation, wouldn't you go to the one who paid you double. Especially if you had a family to provide for and a limited career.
As Paul said, if you go to Utd, even if they're not in the CL one year, you know they'll go out and spend £100-200m on top players, pay big wages, and have you back in it in no time. They've spent obscene amounts the last few years, but turnover as it is, they'll give Maureen another £200m this summer.
Glad we're back in the CL but it's just not a big draw anymore. Players look at who they'll play with and who else they'll sign. That's not to say it's doom and gloom and there's a wide range of top players we can attract, esp with Klopp, but Utd will always have the edge with the majority of players.
This summer, we could be slightly more of a draw than Arsenal for the first time in a while. If you have money, maybe London's a nice place to live. Complete dump if you ask me..
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I disagree with most of these posts. Liverpool could still be a massive pull - but the owners just don't show the same intent as rival owners. I don't think Arsenal is a bigger attraction at the moment - with Thursday night games and a withering old manager - but that could change if they ditch Wenger and appoint a top boss. Man Utd changed everything with their win over Ajax and 2 trophies - but our refusal to compete with them more often is the biggest stumbling block. Manchester is also not in London - so that argument doesn't hold too much weight either. I live abroad and I can promise you that LIverpool still has a massive pull - still second only to Man Utd in terms of foreign fans and shirt sales. What we lack is the will. I've lived in many countries, and I can confirm that we are still very big worldwide, and I would say we look more attractive than Arsenal right now, but United simply have more pull than us right now, full stop. They have had more success recently, and this year they just succeeded where we failed last year.
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