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I see a lot of people blaming Klopp for the wrong tactics etc, if you really can't see over the trees then I'm truly sorry.
Look at our squad, basically it is 11 players, take out any player and we have to resort to putting square pegs in round holes.
Take out Mane and Coutinho last night and who have we got reserve.
Moreno and Origi.
That is the true problem, our squad has been consistently asset stripped each year by FSG, look at last summer we had decent squad players sold Ibe, Smith etc.
From the start people have fell for the FSG excuse that they were trimming the high wage bill, we lost Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Kuyt, under FSG because they were earning too much.
Gerrard was not offered a new contract to save money.
The list is endless, without including out marquee players sold under FSG - Mascherano, Torres, Suarez, Sterling all for big money.
Hell they even sent 50million worth of players on loan to claw back a couple of million.
We can all see the next to leave will be Coutinho. For a owner who never watches football or the team he owns (Liverpool) to suddenly turn up and watch Barcelona vs a small Spanish team is just too implausible for me to comprehend.
So more asset stripping in the summer.
I would challenge any manager to compete, Fergie, Kenny, Mourinho to compete when they have a total of 11 players to choose from.
Is it Klopps fault? Not in terms of winning matches with what he has at his disposal.
BUT i would say like that BR before him, it is Klopps fault for not standing up to FSG and demanding a bigger squad, better players, I suppose Klopp will eventually fall on his sword, sacked or quit.
And the next patsy with a 5 year plan will work under this ridiculous FSG football plan of small squads and reduced wage bill.
Most likely Gerrard, either way unless FSG go, I can't see us winning the title again. cant give klopp a walk over the manner of the defeats are down to klopp not the owners . So the players are blameless aswell as brainless then Faz?
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Just reading some comments from super Danny Murphy echoing the topic of this thread.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Blame the club as a whole. FSG clearly are not interested in making any investment into Liverpool, they are happy to see us remain an old-fashioned club and are also happy to use counter-productive strategies such as 'Moneyball'. We will never progress with FSG.
Klopp has also made a few mistakes, which includes his poor handling of the transfer window and the sheer lack of a plan-b, both of which have been disastrous for us.
The players just look like they've lost any motivation to win and lack any imagination whatsoever . It's why we've been so [oops] creating goals.
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I see a lot of people blaming Klopp for the wrong tactics etc, if you really can't see over the trees then I'm truly sorry.
Look at our squad, basically it is 11 players, take out any player and we have to resort to putting square pegs in round holes.
Take out Mane and Coutinho last night and who have we got reserve.
Moreno and Origi.
That is the true problem, our squad has been consistently asset stripped each year by FSG, look at last summer we had decent squad players sold Ibe, Smith etc.
From the start people have fell for the FSG excuse that they were trimming the high wage bill, we lost Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Kuyt, under FSG because they were earning too much.
Gerrard was not offered a new contract to save money.
The list is endless, without including out marquee players sold under FSG - Mascherano, Torres, Suarez, Sterling all for big money.
Hell they even sent 50million worth of players on loan to claw back a couple of million.
We can all see the next to leave will be Coutinho. For a owner who never watches football or the team he owns (Liverpool) to suddenly turn up and watch Barcelona vs a small Spanish team is just too implausible for me to comprehend.
So more asset stripping in the summer.
I would challenge any manager to compete, Fergie, Kenny, Mourinho to compete when they have a total of 11 players to choose from.
Is it Klopps fault? Not in terms of winning matches with what he has at his disposal.
BUT i would say like that BR before him, it is Klopps fault for not standing up to FSG and demanding a bigger squad, better players, I suppose Klopp will eventually fall on his sword, sacked or quit.
And the next patsy with a 5 year plan will work under this ridiculous FSG football plan of small squads and reduced wage bill.
Most likely Gerrard, either way unless FSG go, I can't see us winning the title again. Can anyone expect anything but a shyte defence when Lucas is playing CB? Wtf was Klopp thinking? How on hell can he say he couldn't find anyone better in Jan? Unless he comes out and say he was not given funds in Jan, I will blame him for our 2017 form.
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Klopp is firstly to blame. He is not getting the best out of the squad. He has been exposed repeatedly this season.
Only once Klopp improves can we start talking about whether the owners are providing him with enough support. But I have serious doubts whether Klopp is good enough for Liverpool. I think he would be more suited to getting the best out of a low/mid table side.
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FSG are f*cking us over for the ticket prices protest!
It's why John W Henry said back in September that expansion of the Anfield Road was not a financially viable option, to then u-turn back in January when it was going t*ts up and no chance in hell of funding any new transfers, with: "we are waiting how the main stand performs BS"...baring in mind the planning permission expires in September this year!
These c*cksuckers have no intention of expanding further or in making funds available to bolster the squad!
I believe Ian Ayre left because of FSG's intentions....you look at the timeline it's VERY SIGNIFICANT:
2nd February 2016 - Announcement of new ticket pricing structure for 16/17 season.
6th February 2016 - Fans walk out on 77 minutes in the Sunderland
game in protest.
10th February 2016 - FSG backdown on price increase.
15th March 2016 - Ian Ayre announces he will step down from his role in May 2017.
27th February 2017 - Ian Ayre leaves and is replaced by Peter Moore.
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First of all klopp picks the team. The fact Lucas plays cb Milner lb and we play with no forward shows that it's a combination of both fsg and klopp. Now as it stands klopp is happy to pretend everything is OK at Liverpool when in reality it's far from it. Either he needs to start talking or he's gonna make himself look like fool because he's the one picking the team.
As for fsg everyday the hatred grows for them and rightly so. They've single handly destroyed one of the biggest football clubs into a profitable midtable franchise. We need so many players at this stage to get back to the top that we don't have the ability to lure the quality players to the club anymore.
As it was before klopp the previous manager was happy to fill us all up with bs that it was his team and transfers and so on. Klopp saying more or less the same thing he's only shooting himself in the foot by picking some of these useless players and refusing to change the personnell playing week in week out when they shouldn't be anywhere near the football club.
Last edited by Ambitious1; 28/02/17 05:46 PM.
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Why would they allow a CEO leave his position with nobody in place?
It's looking like Ayre's relationship with FSG had become untenable and that is why he was allowed to leave 3 months earlier!
I'd put it that the Barcelona trip by John W Henry & Linda was to finalize EA Sports Peter Moore coming!
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First of all klopp picks the team. The fact Lucas plays cb Milner lb and we play with no forward shows that it's a combination of both fsg and klopp. Now as it stands klopp is happy to pretend everything is OK at Liverpool when in reality it's far from it. Either he needs to start talking or he's gonna make himself look like fool because he's the one picking the team.
As for fsg everyday the hatred grows for them and rightly so. They've single handly destroyed one of the biggest football clubs into a profitable midtable franchise. We need so many players at this stage to get back to the top that we don't have the ability to lure the quality players to the club anymore.
As it was before klopp the previous manager was happy to fill us all up with bs that it was his team and transfers and so on. Klopp saying more or less the same thing he's only shooting himself in the foot by picking some of these useless players and refusing to change the personnell playing week in week out when they shouldn't be anywhere near the football club. I still don't think that Klopp is hiding anything. He would have had plenty of offers before he came here. He knows the story with FSG and is happy to work under them. His problem is that he thought he could get us top 4 this season and do well in cups etc without signing anyone until the summer.
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Klopp is firstly to blame. He is not getting the best out of the squad. He has been exposed repeatedly this season.
Only once Klopp improves can we start talking about whether the owners are providing him with enough support. But I have serious doubts whether Klopp is good enough for Liverpool. I think he would be more suited to getting the best out of a low/mid table side. He is the best we can get. So we are going to have to ride this out and see if he can deliver or not.
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