KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum BLAME FSG - NOT KLOPP.

I see a lot of people blaming Klopp for the wrong tactics etc, if you really can't see over the trees then I'm truly sorry.

Look at our squad, basically it is 11 players, take out any player and we have to resort to putting square pegs in round holes.

Take out Mane and Coutinho last night and who have we got reserve.

Moreno and Origi.


That is the true problem, our squad has been consistently asset stripped each year by FSG, look at last summer we had decent squad players sold Ibe, Smith etc.

From the start people have fell for the FSG excuse that they were trimming the high wage bill, we lost Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Kuyt, under FSG because they were earning too much.

Gerrard was not offered a new contract to save money.

The list is endless, without including out marquee players sold under FSG - Mascherano, Torres, Suarez, Sterling all for big money.

Hell they even sent 50million worth of players on loan to claw back a couple of million.

We can all see the next to leave will be Coutinho. For a owner who never watches football or the team he owns (Liverpool) to suddenly turn up and watch Barcelona vs a small Spanish team is just too implausible for me to comprehend.

So more asset stripping in the summer.


I would challenge any manager to compete, Fergie, Kenny, Mourinho to compete when they have a total of 11 players to choose from.

Is it Klopps fault? Not in terms of winning matches with what he has at his disposal.


BUT i would say like that BR before him, it is Klopps fault for not standing up to FSG and demanding a bigger squad, better players, I suppose Klopp will eventually fall on his sword, sacked or quit.


And the next patsy with a 5 year plan will work under this ridiculous FSG football plan of small squads and reduced wage bill.

Most likely Gerrard, either way unless FSG go, I can't see us winning the title again.

Exactly. Because Klopp is not making any noises the early part of your analysis becomes irrelevant.

As for the title, we are naieve to think about it at all. Klopp was also very foolish to lead us along about that too. All his talk of turning the fans from doubters to believers is also down the drain now.

The shoe is completely on the other foot now. Klopp needs to either get some consistency out of a set of players or start challenging the owners. It's a shame he has taken so long to learn.

Some of us got slated a few weeks ago for maoning about the lack of transfer activity in Jan. I still feel that was a huge mistake. And surely we can see that Lucas and Moreno should have been cleared out long ago. No disrespect to either of them. Both have tried and Lucas did well at some point. But we are not a charity. We are supposed to be a leading professional football club.

FSG have to shoulder the blame for a recruitment policy that has emasculated us, yes I fully agree with that, and I've taken lots of stick on here for saying that since shortly after they took over. However they can't be blamed for team selection or playing tactics, that's down to Klopp and currently he's failing miserably. Last nights defeat is wholly down to Klopp's failure to set up the team to deal with the Vardy breaking threat, and there's absolutely no getting away from that. Any ten year old football fan would know that, and yet there's supposedly knowledgeable football fans on here trying to dispute what should be obvious to anyone!
I would like for Klopp to succeeded here as much as anyone, but I'm not going to cod myself or anyone else that last night debacle is down to anyone else but him. A stand in manager totally out thought him tactically last night, and it's embarrassing.

FSG are to blame for the [oops] potential policy and Klopp is to blame for under estimating the league and over estimating his tactics and squad.

As long as our buy young transfer policy continues no manager will ever fix this problem

Does anyone think this new CEO appointment comes rather too quickly after John W Henry & Linda's bizarre Barcelona Nou Camp trip. Were they out there to secure this new CEO because Barcelona have had a long standing partnership with EA Sports?

This new appointment only cements where we are headed under FSG that all our acquisitions are now formed by data analytics/ spreadsheets from computer screens...MONEYBALL.

The fact this new guy is another scouser is seen as a bonus for FSG replacing a token scouser for another token scouser!

Unfortunately we've had 7 years of this and no matter who is crunching the same numbers the results will be the same.
We can keep replacing Manager after Manager it's not going to change anything about where the team on the pitch is headed. We can sell our best players for 20 times the price we bought them and hope their replacements eventually come good so we can sell them on for 20 times their original price and keep rinsing and repeating. LFC is no longer relevant anymore on the world stage, that once buoyant optimism we had as fans each new season that this could be our year has been eviscerated! Our hopes now are for a CL place, which does not write anything to our history.
We can blame Klopp for his naive tactics until the cows come home...but the fact is we will never have the strength in depth squad to accommodate ANY Manager in the world. If you want to be successful on the pitch, you have to pay for it!

I'm trying not to blame Klopp, but the buck must stop with him. We were top of the league not so long ago, playing very good, very attacking football and were favourites to be champions. This shows that the players do have the ability. The fact that we have the best record vs the top 6 also shows we have the ability. None of the title contenders spent big money in January so we cannot say that we've been left behind either.

But....if we have the ability, then it's motivation and preparation that is letting us down...and that comes from the manager not FSG.

We all thought Sturridge staying fit would help us - it didn't. We though that Coutinho returning from injury would make us better - it hasn't. We though that Mane coming back from Africa would change things - it didn't. Matip coming back in to the team hasn't really helped either.

Usually, players lack the motivation when they lose confidence in the manager.....but why would they lose confidence in the manager when they were doing so well?? Something isn't right....

I say it is more a case of we have been found out. Our tactics have been found out. And this is causing the players to lose confidence.

Spurs is a perfect example. Open up against us and we will murder you. If Wenger had any sense(which he does not) he would sit deep

Those players missing through injury last night would not have changed the outcome of the result if they would have been available. Our squad is one dimensional because of the players we have, Klopp is playing to the one tactic available.
Those title contenders already had squads with strength in depth they had no real need to strengthen in January. All they had to do was to get used to a new Manager and his tactics in the case of Conte, Guardiola & Mou. Chelsea have been so successful in the league because of no european football and having a bench we could only dream of!
Klopp's enthusiasm has now become immune to the players. He needs a strong leader on the pitch who can bark at the players. A player who'll run through brick walls and will dust himself off and do it all over again. Henderson is most definitely not that player, he's too injury prone and too nice, doesn't have that dark nasty streak that's needed in a leader.

We are so far behind the likes of Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Utd and now Spurs for squad depth. Other than Chelsea the rest had Europe to contend with this year...look where we are headed having the same fixture list as Chelsea!

cant give klopp a walk over the manner of the defeats are down to klopp not the owners .

Our bench last night:

Moreno, Origi, Karius, Klavan, Woodburn, Stewart, Arnold = 30m

Leicester's bench last night:

Amartey, Gray, Chilwell, King, Slimani, Zieler, Ulloa = 40m