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Karius was the victim of a witch hunt.

"No hands" has sealed his own fate and I will guarantee you not one Liverpool fan was even mildly surprised when he messed up again on Saturday.

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Karius was the victim of a witch hunt.

"No hands" has sealed his own fate and I will guarantee you not one Liverpool fan was even mildly surprised when he messed up again on Saturday.



He received a lot of criticism because he was put into a position he should never have been in, and that was because of the manager.

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I'd also like to know where Carra and Neville are spouting their bile about Migs from their nice warm studio? And all the newspaper coverage too?

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Originally Posted By Chris2402
We don't have enough quality in the squad to make wholesale changes unfortunately.



You are absolutely right there of course.

I mean that we need to take the worst players out of the equation on Saturday, and I mean form wise.

Normally Lallana, Firmino and Coutinho would all be playing, but since they are all struggling with form, I'd make one or two changes there.

Lallana: Has started to stroll around again, as he did last year. Seems to be running up when the others are running down, and the other way around. But he is at least putting a decent shift in. He is not that far from good form and might suddenly spark again. I'd keep him in the team.

Firmino: Oooh what a waster. Suarez his first year is like a smooth summer sea breeze compared to this. Loses the ball and doesn't seem to be working as hard as before trying to get the ball back. I'm not so sure I'd like him to start on Saturday. If so it has to be as a winger or in the N:o 10 role. As a striker? No thanks!

Coutinho: Is so far from form that he just has to be dropped IMO. Keep playing him and it will only get worse. Maybe put him on for the last 10 minutes or so if we are in the lead and need to keep the ball up. Not sure he can even help us with this task on current form though. But either way an option from the bech.

Can: Clumsy. Runs forwards with the ball until someone takes it off him. Then counter attack in our end. Can't shoot. Misses every chance. Too slow. Making the wrong choice with passes. Can't defend on set pieces. Hopeless. At least at the moment. The irony here is that with more game time he'll probably burst into form again. But can we afford the time needed for that experiment? I say no.

Lucas: Nononono. Get Gomez in there if both Lovren and Klavan are out.

Mignolet: Is just being himself on the pitch. As usual. Makes some wonder saves, but then we see them all undone with catastrophical easy mistakes. But is Karius any different? I'd say no from what I've seen so far. The difference between them is that the latter seemed to have lost all self confidence before he was finally benched. Mignolet on the other hand seems high on confidence as usual. It's like pouring water on a goose. At this point in the season it's all about form and confidence for me, so it has to be Mignolet in goal. We need a better first keeper than him, but we haven't got it. Shame but true.

The rest of the usual starting XI is impossible to replace at this point, so they need to stay in there. Whether they're good enough to face Spuds is irrelevant. We simply have no alternatives.

So all in all: For me it has to be something like this against Spuds (4-2-3-1):

-----------Mignolet----------

Clyne-Matip-Lovren-Milner

--Henderson--Wijnaldum--
-Lallana---Firmino---Origi-

----------Sturridge---------

Bench: Karius, Gomez, Klavan, Lucas, Can, Coutinho, Ojo.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
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Originally Posted By fazakerley red 1
ok mignolet made a mistake and deserves loads of stick , but to just blame him for the limp nothing performance is way off the mark , that emre can gave the original corner away under zero pressure , plus the defence was all over the place , and the forward line has stopped working , and how much i like klopp and i still believe in him , but he has to be blamed aswell as the look like they have been found out .


I don't recall any of these mitigating circumstances being offered up by you for Karius? In fact you were the main protagonist in the witch hunt for him on here.
karius's blunders were for me the reason the rot started at bournemouth


Our downturn started after the city game so how is it Karius' fault? And if Saturday's result isn't all down to Flappy, then how come you don't hold the same for Karius?

Proper double standards and your treatment of Karius was disgraceful to say the least.
the rot started at bournemouth ok won a couple after that but the doubt and rot was started at bournemouth , then west ham at home karuis again messed up .

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By fazakerley red 1
ok mignolet made a mistake and deserves loads of stick , but to just blame him for the limp nothing performance is way off the mark , that emre can gave the original corner away under zero pressure , plus the defence was all over the place , and the forward line has stopped working , and how much i like klopp and i still believe in him , but he has to be blamed aswell as the look like they have been found out .


I don't recall any of these mitigating circumstances being offered up by you for Karius? In fact you were the main protagonist in the witch hunt for him on here.


I think what Faz meant is that we did not lose the game on Saturday only because of Mignolet. However, we lost the Bornemouth game because of Karius as we had score 3 and he made at least 2 blunders. Are you saying Karius is a better choice than Mignolet? For me both are crap, Karius is worse from what I have seen, he makes mistakes in most games he plays, some cost us some not, Mignolet also makes mistkes but less.

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Originally Posted By Chris2402
We don't have enough quality in the squad to make wholesale changes unfortunately.



You are absolutely right there of course.

I mean that we need to take the worst players out of the equation on Saturday, and I mean form wise.

Normally Lallana, Firmino and Coutinho would all be playing, but since they are all struggling with form, I'd make one or two changes there.

Lallana: Has started to stroll around again, as he did last year. Seems to be running up when the others are running down, and the other way around. But he is at least putting a decent shift in. He is not that far from good form and might suddenly spark again. I'd keep him in the team.

Firmino: Oooh what a waster. Suarez his first year is like a smooth summer sea breeze compared to this. Loses the ball and doesn't seem to be working as hard as before trying to get the ball back. I'm not so sure I'd like him to start on Saturday. If so it has to be as a winger or in the N:o 10 role. As a striker? No thanks!

Coutinho: Is so far from form that he just has to be dropped IMO. Keep playing him and it will only get worse. Maybe put him on for the last 10 minutes or so if we are in the lead and need to keep the ball up. Not sure he can even help us with this task on current form though. But either way an option from the bech.

Can: Clumsy. Runs forwards with the ball until someone takes it off him. Then counter attack in our end. Can't shoot. Misses every chance. Too slow. Making the wrong choice with passes. Can't defend on set pieces. Hopeless. At least at the moment. The irony here is that with more game time he'll probably burst into form again. But can we afford the time needed for that experiment? I say no.

Lucas: Nononono. Get Gomez in there if both Lovren and Klavan are out.

Mignolet: Is just being himself on the pitch. As usual. Makes some wonder saves, but then we see them all undone with catastrophical easy mistakes. But is Karius any different? I'd say no from what I've seen so far. The difference between them is that the latter seemed to have lost all self confidence before he was finally benched. Mignolet on the other hand seems high on confidence as usual. It's like pouring water on a goose. At this point in the season it's all about form and confidence for me, so it has to be Mignolet in goal. We need a better first keeper than him, but we haven't got it. Shame but true.

The rest of the usual starting XI is impossible to replace at this point, so they need to stay in there. Whether they're good enough to face Spuds is irrelevant. We simply have no alternatives.

So all in all: For me it has to be something like this against Spuds (4-2-3-1):

-----------Mignolet----------

Clyne-Matip-Lovren-Milner

--Henderson--Wijnaldum--
-Lallana---Firmino---Origi-

----------Sturridge---------

Bench: Karius, Gomez, Klavan, Lucas, Can, Coutinho, Ojo.


So Mane won't even make the bench for you? Wow.

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I think a big problem is the fact that we have a fair share of average players who regularly get a run out. A side of 8 or so good and great players will lift the strugglers to perform better. But if half or more of the players are average or poor and the boss touts them as "winners" it brings down the player morale and standards.
And that is where we are now. We have team of 11 Lucases on the field.

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Originally Posted By RedsforChampions
So Mane won't even make the bench for you? Wow.



Another way of putting it would be that I somehow managed to miss Mané completely. blush


My revised squad:


-----------Mignolet----------

Clyne-Matip-Lovren-Milner

--Henderson--Wijnaldum--
-Mané---Lallana---Firmino-

----------Sturridge---------

Bench: Karius, Gomez, Klavan, Lucas, Can, Coutinho, Origi.

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Originally Posted By fazakerley red 1
the rot started at bournemouth ok won a couple after that but the doubt and rot was started at bournemouth , then west ham at home karuis again messed up .


As I've stated your completely wrong here, after Bournemouth we drew at home to West Ham, then won four on the spin, Middlesbrough, Everton, Stoke and Man City before drawing to Sunderland. Going unbeaten in 6 games after Bournemouth and winning 4 of them is not even close to being a rot.

Unfortunately you are blinded by your dislike for one player and the fact that you think it's acceptable to blame one player for our struggles and dip in form tells me everything I need to know.

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