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In a season when we've proven damaging on the attack, maybe it is counter-intuitive to over-analyse the flaws that exist within a system that has provided. However, with Sturridge and Origi failing to deliver, Firmino waning under pressure, and Ings out again for the season, the most potent of offences in the league is not underpinned by an "out and out striker. The biggest change these past five years has been the number of goals we score, and of late, the spread of goals across the team. I want to address how these comments give a false depiction of our progress - based purely on "goals or assists" as contributions, see below:
Year 15+ Contributions 10+ Contributions
2012/13 3 (Suarez, Gerrard, Sturridge) 3 (Downing, Coutinho, Henderson)
2013/14 4 (Suarez, Sturridge, Gerrard, Sterling) 2 (Coutinho, Henderson)
2014/15 2 (Henderson, Sterling) 3 (Henderson, Coutinho, Lallana)
2015/16 6 (Milner, Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Benteke, Origi) 2 (Sturridge, Ibe)
2016/17 (PREDICTED) 5 (Mane, Firmino, Lallana, Milner and Coutinho) 3 (Origi, Sturridge, Wijnaldum)
The significant change, is that the dependency of the club on players a few years ago was incredibly one-sided. For 2 seasons, Suarez was leaps beyond anyone at the club at contribution. For the one season we competed for the title, Sturridge managed 30+ contributions to back him up.
Last season, our statistics were vastly enhanced by the number of additional games we'd played. 63 games played last season; this season - a maximum of 47 games. If you adjusted the totals based on games, only Milner contributes 15+, with Coutinho and Firmino marginally below the threshold. That's 6 players likely to have made 10+ contributions, with Sturridge just inside the threshold, and Ibe dropping out.
This season, Firmino is the only striker firmly expected to manage this feat, with Origi and Sturridge likely to be just below the threshold. He will have been out-contributed by Lallana and Mane, and irrespective of placing Mane in the striking group, it is clear that spreading the goals around is relieving the pressure on the "strikers" to produce an exceptional season. It masks, however, the hard truth that every team that wins the league, has a striker that is leading the charts on goals. We don't have enough fear in that front line when "our first XI" aren't playing, because none of our players are close to achieving the "20 goals" that used to be the benchmark for talismanic forwards. Mane, is close to achieving 15 predicting the end of season contributions, but that is not enough to spearhead a team wanting to win the title.
So... this brings me to the elusive opening question. What is the biggest reason we've fallen away? Firm belief... we don't have a capable striker in the club. We have a lot of versatile, highly contributable attacking players, but not the goalscorer. Sturridge's last game-changing season was 3 years ago. Time to let go... go out and bring one in.
BACKGROUND INFORMATION
In 2012/13, our top scorer, unsurprisingly, was Suarez. 30 goals and 10 assists in 44 appearances. Daniel Sturridge and Steven Gerrard were the only other players to contribute to 15 or more goalscoring situations. Gerrard (10 goals, 12 assists), Sturridge (11 goals 4 assists). Between those three players, that is (51 of the 98 goals scored all season). The dependency is apparent. Only 3 players (Downing, Coutinho and Henderson) contributed double figures combining contribution to goals.
In 2013/14, our top scorer was Suarez again. 31 goals and 14 assists in 37 appearances. Sturridge (24 goals, 7 assists), Gerrard (14 goals, 14 assists) and Sterling (10 goals, 6 assists) all contributed towards 15 or more goalscoring opportunities. That is 79 of our 110 goals scored by players providing 15 or more opportunities. Coutinho and Henderson were the only players to contribute double figures combining.
The disappointing follow-up to that title challenge was not spearheaded by Gerrard or Sturridge, but Henderson (7 goals, 13 assists) and Sterling (11 goals, 8 assists). That's only 18 of the 74 goals scored from the two biggest contributors combined). 31 if you include our top scorer Gerrard that season. The only players to manage to contribute to 15 or more goals. Gerrard (13 goals, 1 assist), Coutinho (8 goals, 5 assist) and Lallana (6 goals, 4 assists) contributed in the second tier of contributions.
Last season, with Gerrards departure, Milner set a new benchmark for contribution. 9 goals and 16 assists made him the biggest contributor to goals, the first significantly underpinned by 15 or more assists. Coutinho (13 goals, 7 assists), Origi (12 goals, 3 assists), Benteke (11 goals, 4 assists), Firmino (11 goals, 9 assists) and Lallana (9 goals, 8 assists) all managed 15+ contributions, providing 67 of our 98 goals. Sturridge (12 goals, 2 assists) and Ibe (5 goals, 5 assists) were the only players to manage 10 contributions.
This season, we're looking at Sadio Mane (9 goals, 6 assists) as the only player so far to reach 15+. Firmino (9 goals, 4 assists), Lallana (7 goals, 7 assists), Milner (6 goals, 4 assists) and Coutinho (6 goals, 7 assists) have all managed 10+. These are all likely to make 15+ this season for contributions this season. Origi is likely to be thereabouts, but expect Sturridge and Wijnaldum to support this with 10+.
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In a season when we've proven damaging on the attack, maybe it is counter-intuitive to over-analyse the flaws that exist within a system that has provided. However, with Sturridge and Origi failing to deliver, Firmino waning under pressure, and Ings out again for the season, the most potent of offences in the league is not underpinned by an "out and out striker. The biggest change these past five years has been the number of goals we score, and of late, the spread of goals across the team. I want to address how these comments give a false depiction of our progress - based purely on "goals or assists" as contributions, see below:
Year 15+ Contributions 10+ Contributions
2012/13 3 (Suarez, Gerrard, Sturridge) 3 (Downing, Coutinho, Henderson)
2013/14 4 (Suarez, Sturridge, Gerrard, Sterling) 2 (Coutinho, Henderson)
2014/15 2 (Henderson, Sterling) 3 (Henderson, Coutinho, Lallana)
2015/16 6 (Milner, Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Benteke, Origi) 2 (Sturridge, Ibe)
2016/17 (PREDICTED) 5 (Mane, Firmino, Lallana, Milner and Coutinho) 3 (Origi, Sturridge, Wijnaldum)
The significant change, is that the dependency of the club on players a few years ago was incredibly one-sided. For 2 seasons, Suarez was leaps beyond anyone at the club at contribution. For the one season we competed for the title, Sturridge managed 30+ contributions to back him up.
Last season, our statistics were vastly enhanced by the number of additional games we'd played. 63 games played last season; this season - a maximum of 47 games. If you adjusted the totals based on games, only Milner contributes 15+, with Coutinho and Firmino marginally below the threshold. That's 6 players likely to have made 10+ contributions, with Sturridge just inside the threshold, and Ibe dropping out.
This season, Firmino is the only striker firmly expected to manage this feat, with Origi and Sturridge likely to be just below the threshold. He will have been out-contributed by Lallana and Mane, and irrespective of placing Mane in the striking group, it is clear that spreading the goals around is relieving the pressure on the "strikers" to produce an exceptional season. It masks, however, the hard truth that every team that wins the league, has a striker that is leading the charts on goals. We don't have enough fear in that front line when "our first XI" aren't playing, because none of our players are close to achieving the "20 goals" that used to be the benchmark for talismanic forwards. Mane, is close to achieving 15 predicting the end of season contributions, but that is not enough to spearhead a team wanting to win the title.
So... this brings me to the elusive opening question. What is the biggest reason we've fallen away? Firm belief... we don't have a capable striker in the club. We have a lot of versatile, highly contributable attacking players, but not the goalscorer. Sturridge's last game-changing season was 3 years ago. Time to let go... go out and bring one in.
BACKGROUND INFORMATION
In 2012/13, our top scorer, unsurprisingly, was Suarez. 30 goals and 10 assists in 44 appearances. Daniel Sturridge and Steven Gerrard were the only other players to contribute to 15 or more goalscoring situations. Gerrard (10 goals, 12 assists), Sturridge (11 goals 4 assists). Between those three players, that is (51 of the 98 goals scored all season). The dependency is apparent. Only 3 players (Downing, Coutinho and Henderson) contributed double figures combining contribution to goals.
In 2013/14, our top scorer was Suarez again. 31 goals and 14 assists in 37 appearances. Sturridge (24 goals, 7 assists), Gerrard (14 goals, 14 assists) and Sterling (10 goals, 6 assists) all contributed towards 15 or more goalscoring opportunities. That is 79 of our 110 goals scored by players providing 15 or more opportunities. Coutinho and Henderson were the only players to contribute double figures combining.
The disappointing follow-up to that title challenge was not spearheaded by Gerrard or Sturridge, but Henderson (7 goals, 13 assists) and Sterling (11 goals, 8 assists). That's only 18 of the 74 goals scored from the two biggest contributors combined). 31 if you include our top scorer Gerrard that season. The only players to manage to contribute to 15 or more goals. Gerrard (13 goals, 1 assist), Coutinho (8 goals, 5 assist) and Lallana (6 goals, 4 assists) contributed in the second tier of contributions.
Last season, with Gerrards departure, Milner set a new benchmark for contribution. 9 goals and 16 assists made him the biggest contributor to goals, the first significantly underpinned by 15 or more assists. Coutinho (13 goals, 7 assists), Origi (12 goals, 3 assists), Benteke (11 goals, 4 assists), Firmino (11 goals, 9 assists) and Lallana (9 goals, 8 assists) all managed 15+ contributions, providing 67 of our 98 goals. Sturridge (12 goals, 2 assists) and Ibe (5 goals, 5 assists) were the only players to manage 10 contributions.
This season, we're looking at Sadio Mane (9 goals, 6 assists) as the only player so far to reach 15+. Firmino (9 goals, 4 assists), Lallana (7 goals, 7 assists), Milner (6 goals, 4 assists) and Coutinho (6 goals, 7 assists) have all managed 10+. These are all likely to make 15+ this season for contributions this season. Origi is likely to be thereabouts, but expect Sturridge and Wijnaldum to support this with 10+.
You wrote all this shyte, sorry no time to read, I just answer. Our squad is too thin for the intensive foorball we play, we have a reasonably good first team and nobody as good to come off the bench. Result: our better players are jaded/ off form / unfit.
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Exactly FSG has cut our squad size and quality to cost save we can't compete.
Right back - Clyne - no backup
left back - no left back
Strikers Injured Sturridge and rookie Origi.
FIRMINO IS NOT A STRIKER, LUCUS NOT A CENTREBACK, MILNER NOT A LEFTBACK.
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The blame lies with the manager, when a manager takes over any Premier League Club he is provided with every conceivable thing you can think of to be a success or meet the targets set out for each individual Club so that if he doesn't achieve them the blame lies firmly at his feet...Simple.
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No reason at all.
Our weak team was fired up by Klopp, but that effect could not be sustained.
And the rest of the Premier league has "fired up" for the run-in to May whilst our limp bunch don't give a shyte and already have their minds on a summer vacation.
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Don't be so stupid, FSG have consistently not provided any of managers what they need to compete.
They said they could compete with anyone, truth is we are miles away from Manchester clubs, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal under these greedy, useless Yanks.
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You wrote all this shyte, sorry no time to read
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It's not difficult.... we don't compete with our rivals in the market. Klopp has signed 2 players over 5 mil in three windows. Threadbare squad - square pegs in round holes - players are too similar up front. No plan B options. If it wasn't difficult, we'd have either fixed it, or it'd be heavily publicised. Not competing for a player in the market doesn't affect a result against hull today. The value of a player is one thing, but Matip cost nothing and improved us. Thats an over-simplification of actually just scouting quality. I agree our squad is not as strong as it should be. I actually already commented on the limited variation up front in the thread. Plan B option is all well and good, but Plan A is still your best attempt at winning a game. Surely fixing that at the moment is a bigger key.
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Exactly FSG has cut our squad size and quality to cost save we can't compete.
Right back - Clyne - no backup
left back - no left back
Strikers Injured Sturridge and rookie Origi.
FIRMINO IS NOT A STRIKER, LUCUS NOT A CENTREBACK, MILNER NOT A LEFTBACK. So strikers are a problem. Lucas has hardly played for us, and Milner has been great at left back... so even if we know that these are positions we need strengthening, they're not reasons for losing to teams like hull or burnley...
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the style of play has been worked out.simple
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