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I was always expecting a down turn. Everything has one. But what was real is that we have a team that can compete. When Mane is back they're all there, the same players and they haven't suddenly become shitte so we can get back to that.


One Mane team then. What has changed is that our players are not fresh enough for the high intensity game of Klopp, it was becoming obvious in the Sunderland game, even with Mane

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What worries me is that the team seems to have fallen apart from the fact one player is missing in Mane, even worse is that I wouldn't even call him a top player, he's good but not one of the top players in the league by any stretch, does that mean we are so poor to be so reliant on just one good player.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
I was always expecting a down turn. Everything has one. But what was real is that we have a team that can compete. When Mane is back they're all there, the same players and they haven't suddenly become shitte so we can get back to that.


Did you expect such a steep downturn? Slipping in the league and out of both domestic competitions before the end of Jan?

I don't blame the players and I agree they haven't suddenly become bad players. But there's something wrong somwehere which has resulted in us not being able to compete against lower league teams let alone premiership ones. I don't think that can be explained away as a downturn. the problems appear to be deeper... player metality, squad depth, gameplan, transfer policy.

It's no good simply having a great first eleven that always plays the same way and can't cope when opposing teams adopt tactics to thwart our strengths. We need players who can come into the first eleven without impacting quality, perhaps offer a different style, and a squad that produces results irrespective of which eleven are selected.


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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
I was always expecting a down turn. Everything has one. But what was real is that we have a team that can compete. When Mane is back they're all there, the same players and they haven't suddenly become shitte so we can get back to that.


One Mane team then. What has changed is that our players are not fresh enough for the high intensity game of Klopp, it was becoming obvious in the Sunderland game, even with Mane


The number of games this Xmas was a joke and we're not the only ones who looked jaded through it. Add to that Mane going and a few injuries and you get no consistency in team selection.

Playing low strength teams in the fa cup has also hurt confidence. Today should've been virtually full strength to try and guarantee the win to give us a lift.

So there's multiple factors and to say we're a one Mane team is a bit simplistic.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
I was always expecting a down turn. Everything has one. But what was real is that we have a team that can compete. When Mane is back they're all there, the same players and they haven't suddenly become shitte so we can get back to that.


Did you expect such a steep downturn? Slipping in the league and out of both domestic competitions before the end of Jan?

I don't blame the players and I agree they haven't suddenly become bad players. But there's something wrong somwehere which has resulted in us not being able to compete against lower league teams let alone premiership ones. I don't think that can be explained away as a downturn. the problems appear to be deeper... player metality, squad depth, gameplan, transfer policy.

It's no good simply having a great first eleven that always plays the same way and can't cope when opposing teams adopt tactics to thwart our strengths. We need players who can come into the first eleven without impacting quality, perhaps offer a different style, and a squad that produces results irrespective of which eleven are selected.


I raised this question last summer and got shut down. I wasnt been negative I seen a bigger picture of a team with little depth and quality with some unproven faces. Thats what we are seen now. We will start winning again but we will also lose games as well, games we shouldnt lose. Theres always some excuse from someone at the club. Surely klopp isnt that stupid that he would leave us so short in the summer first of all and then in january when his mistake and weaknesses in the team has been shown. I dont care what he did at Dortmund or Mainz. Hes the manager of Liverpool and should only be judged on that.

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No Klopp isn't that stupid to leave us short.

He is not a rookie manager like BR.

You have to assume that outside influences prevented him from having a bigger and stronger squad.

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I still support Klopp. But he has a problem motivating the players now that they have dropped back to their real general level of performance.
A side of 11 Lucases had we today.

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No Klopp isn't that stupid to leave us short.

He is not a rookie manager like BR.

You have to assume that outside influences prevented him from having a bigger and stronger squad.


But then again if he doesnt have the balls to say anything then hes just like BR? Because he sat there and took wages every week from the club only to turn and say stuff after he was sacked rather than when he was getting paid every week. Klopp needs to speak this season rather than a few years down the line if/when hes at another club.

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If you speak out against your employees you get sacked in any job.

Klopp is working or trying to in the system.

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If you speak out against your employees you get sacked in any job.

Klopp is working or trying to in the system.


Is it not better to walk away knowing you stayed true to morals rather than lie to hundreds of millions of fans while taking a huge wage every week. Im sorry but i dont buy it. Steve bruce walked from hull for something similar, Klopp should have at least had the balls to say something rather than be weak and sit there and take it from the board.

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