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Hello to everybody, I found this forum a while ago and enjoy reading some of the game reactions and other topics up for discussion. Whilst I have never had the urge to post anything there was an article I read in the Telegraph earlier that I thought may be of interest and wanted to share. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017...al-problem-not/The article pretty much sums up perfectly how I have felt in the past and somewhat continue to do so. I do agree with some directions that the club are taking and I think the season so far along with last season should be cause for some cautious optimism but I can't help feeling we have all been here before. I may not be posting again but I'd be interested in other peoples reaction to the article.
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I don't totally disagree with the article but I don't recall many like it at the end of November time.
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I think the important paragraph in that article is.
We did not buy enough.
FSG have trimmed the squad hugely since they took over, playing the Klopp style you need a large squad to rotate the players to avoid over exhaustion.
We are now at the point where players are injured and having to come back too soon.
I blame it all in FSG.
Cheapskates, our football club is the 8th most profitable in the world, yet we have signed no one in the last 2 January windows and had a negative net spend in the summer.
It may sound like a broken record but until FSG depart it wills always be groundhog day for us.
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Well hello Jim beam and welcome. Theres a bit of a policy you will receive from some group in here often referred to the snowflakes group, where if you make a negative statement back it up with facts about a liverpool player or quality of squad depth your gonna be wrong. Our team is brilliant and has the ability to cope for 38 Pl games and an extra few cup games thats the mentality of some.
I read the article and it has a lot of points to it and I think the problem with Liverpool is we have been thinking a lot of players are better than what they actually are. There was a post in a topic today by another member of Koptalk where he raised the point about players having weight of expectation to be great players when all they are ever going to be is average at best. Unfortunately, that member was subjected to personal childish comments because someone disagreed with him. However, I do believe we need a lot more players if we are to be successful for the future.
I talk about wishful thinking on here and sometimes i did it a lot myself. For example, we have seen Gomez play 5/6 really good games for us before he got injured and some people are expecting him to come back and replace players who have had a run of games and havent proved themselves to be good enough. We dont know how he will turn out, we are just hoping he will be great. We've been doing that with a lot of players like Ibe and sinclair and they are all gone now.
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... until FSG depart it wills always be groundhog day for us. It will be the same under any owners unless they have almost unlimited cash to splash. I don't think the article says anything controversial or enlightening. Without mega rich owners all we can do is strive to compete to a limited extent. That involves being there or thereabouts in the league if possible, maybe even winning it once in a blue moon and winning the odd cup competition. I don't think even a genius manager can have us wining trophies and titles regularly without the funds that others enjoy. So the question we as fans perhaps should ask ourselves is, gievn that we've witnessed the same cycle a few times, perhaps the answer is to break that cycle by allowing a good manager to stay on longer even if he hasn't won the title yet?
'I was only in the game for the love of football - and I wanted to bring back happiness to the people of Liverpool.' Bill Shankly
'We should have made a signing or two in the last couple of transfer windows.' Vish
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Well hello Jim beam and welcome. Theres a bit of a policy you will receive from some group in here often referred to the snowflakes group, where if you make a negative statement back it up with facts about a liverpool player or quality of squad depth your gonna be wrong. Our team is brilliant and has the ability to cope for 38 Pl games and an extra few cup games thats the mentality of some.
I read the article and it has a lot of points to it and I think the problem with Liverpool is we have been thinking a lot of players are better than what they actually are. There was a post in a topic today by another member of Koptalk where he raised the point about players having weight of expectation to be great players when all they are ever going to be is average at best. Unfortunately, that member was subjected to personal childish comments because someone disagreed with him. However, I do believe we need a lot more players if we are to be successful for the future.
I talk about wishful thinking on here and sometimes i did it a lot myself. For example, we have seen Gomez play 5/6 really good games for us before he got injured and some people are expecting him to come back and replace players who have had a run of games and havent proved themselves to be good enough. We dont know how he will turn out, we are just hoping he will be great. We've been doing that with a lot of players like Ibe and sinclair and they are all gone now. I would go out tonight but I haven't got a stitch to wear
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So the question we as fans perhaps should ask ourselves is, gievn that we've witnessed the same cycle a few times, perhaps the answer is to break that cycle by allowing a good manager to stay on longer even if he hasn't won the title yet?
I agree with this. My own personal opinion is that we are quite lucky to have a manger with Klopp's reputation, I feel he should be given time.
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Well hello Jim beam and welcome. Theres a bit of a policy you will receive from some group in here often referred to the snowflakes group, where if you make a negative statement back it up with facts about a liverpool player or quality of squad depth your gonna be wrong. Our team is brilliant and has the ability to cope for 38 Pl games and an extra few cup games thats the mentality of some.
I read the article and it has a lot of points to it and I think the problem with Liverpool is we have been thinking a lot of players are better than what they actually are. There was a post in a topic today by another member of Koptalk where he raised the point about players having weight of expectation to be great players when all they are ever going to be is average at best. Unfortunately, that member was subjected to personal childish comments because someone disagreed with him. However, I do believe we need a lot more players if we are to be successful for the future.
I talk about wishful thinking on here and sometimes i did it a lot myself. For example, we have seen Gomez play 5/6 really good games for us before he got injured and some people are expecting him to come back and replace players who have had a run of games and havent proved themselves to be good enough. We dont know how he will turn out, we are just hoping he will be great. We've been doing that with a lot of players like Ibe and sinclair and they are all gone now. I would go out tonight but I haven't got a stitch to wear No need for that Shaggy.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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So the question we as fans perhaps should ask ourselves is, gievn that we've witnessed the same cycle a few times, perhaps the answer is to break that cycle by allowing a good manager to stay on longer even if he hasn't won the title yet?
I agree with this. My own personal opinion is that we are quite lucky to have a manger with Klopp's reputation, I feel he should be given time. He should be given time, but also the resources. I honestly dont think hes fully been backed. A manager of his previous class wouldnt leave us so short and have players playing out of position and have as many squad players playing consistently as we do. Thats what I think. But also the other question is, what do we do if it doesnt work out? Can we really afford to slip any further behind? Because if we do we'll maintain the status of midtable team.
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Well hello Jim beam and welcome. Theres a bit of a policy you will receive from some group in here often referred to the snowflakes group, where if you make a negative statement back it up with facts about a liverpool player or quality of squad depth your gonna be wrong. Our team is brilliant and has the ability to cope for 38 Pl games and an extra few cup games thats the mentality of some.
I read the article and it has a lot of points to it and I think the problem with Liverpool is we have been thinking a lot of players are better than what they actually are. There was a post in a topic today by another member of Koptalk where he raised the point about players having weight of expectation to be great players when all they are ever going to be is average at best. Unfortunately, that member was subjected to personal childish comments because someone disagreed with him. However, I do believe we need a lot more players if we are to be successful for the future.
I talk about wishful thinking on here and sometimes i did it a lot myself. For example, we have seen Gomez play 5/6 really good games for us before he got injured and some people are expecting him to come back and replace players who have had a run of games and havent proved themselves to be good enough. We dont know how he will turn out, we are just hoping he will be great. We've been doing that with a lot of players like Ibe and sinclair and they are all gone now. I would go out tonight but I haven't got a stitch to wear No need for that Shaggy. Just brings it out in me. It's like meeting the anti-craic
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