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Lets look at this point of view:
Wijnaldum...
Goals:2
Shots:33
On target:11
percentage on target: 33%
crosses:8
Cross accuracy: 25%
through balls:1
Accurate long balls: 34
Passes per match:45.76
Tackles:23
Duels won:74
Duels lost: 84
Ariel duels won:21
Ariels duels lost:24
He cost us 25+ million. Now if you ask me I think thats really poor. Both defensive and offensive. He needs to be dropped because hes not 1st team material. Theres some people that want to give players like this who have shown little or no glimpses of something constantly good and let them play for 3/4 years before we decide they arent good enough. Im all for giving players time but as long as they show something more over a few games each time. Wijnaldum hasnt done that.
You get the same poxy responses on here "oh well hes klopps player theres nothing you can do, f you, you can have an opinion but it upsets me so it means nothing". Well klopp isnt a godsend. We can clearly see major flaws in his decisions in a lot of games. Lack of transfers aside, the fact players like Wijnaldum and Lucas and Klavan have all played so many games for us is truly worrying going into the future. So who do you want in for Wijnaldum, Can, he is worse. You don't want Henderson neither, so who do you want to play? All those new signings we're not making.
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To me it look like our team is in better balance when one of Hendo, Wijnaldum and Can is out.
We're too slow with all of them playing at the same time.
Preferrably I'd like to see Henderson play alongside Wijnaldum looking at the current form (or lack of it) of Can.
That maybe all of those players long term need to be replaced in the starting XI is another issue.
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Our first choice midfield and attack when everyone is fit is as follows:
Wijnaldum - Henderson - Lallana
Mane - Firmino - Coutinho
We were at our best earlier in the season with the above players and formation, Lallana has been excellent when playing from deep and not as good when played further forward like he has been lately.
The problems are as soon as one of the above are missing it brings in a more 'pedestrian' player like Can or Sturridge and we aren't as fluid.
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Yes that's my take on it too.
So what we need is to either get Can and the likes up to speed, or we need to get a few new players in as backup when our starting XI is off the boil or not available for various reasons.
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Our first choice midfield and attack when everyone is fit is as follows:
Wijnaldum - Henderson - Lallana
Mane - Firmino - Coutinho
We were at our best earlier in the season with the above players and formation, Lallana has been excellent when playing from deep and not as good when played further forward like he has been lately.
The problems are as soon as one of the above are missing it brings in a more 'pedestrian' player like Can or Sturridge and we aren't as fluid. Exactly and we have no one to replace those 4 attacking players when anyone is out. Klopp has tried with Origi, but it is not the same and Sturridge is a different player not fitting Klopp's style. It is impossible to go for a full season with those 4 as it has been proven, we should have bought one in early Jan.
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We did alright when Coutinho was out.
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We did alright when Coutinho was out. We were not as fluid and effective and Mane provides more defensively than Coutinho. If I am not mistaken, the gap with Chelsea widened while Coutinho was out. On top of that, Coutinho is not totally match fit since coming back and Can cannot replace Mane
Last edited by RedsforChampions; 22/01/17 02:33 PM.
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We did alright when Coutinho was out. We were not as fluid and effective and Mane provides more defensively than Coutinho. If I am not mistaken, the gap with Chelsea widened while Coutinho was out. On top of that, Coutinho is not totally match fit since coming back and Can cannot replace Mane Well they widened the gap to everyone with their winning run. But the point is we didn't fall apart so to say that we can't cope with losing one of those four is wrong.
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We did alright when Coutinho was out. We were not as fluid and effective and Mane provides more defensively than Coutinho. If I am not mistaken, the gap with Chelsea widened while Coutinho was out. On top of that, Coutinho is not totally match fit since coming back and Can cannot replace Mane Well they widened the gap to everyone with their winning run. But the point is we didn't fall apart so to say that we can't cope with losing one of those four is wrong. It depends what you mean by falling apart, yes we didn't do as bad as now since Mane is off, but did worse than when everybody was fit. Even when Lallana was out we were not as effective. Mane has definitely been our best player, we should have had a better plan without him.
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Lets look at this point of view:
Wijnaldum...
Goals:2
Shots:33
On target:11
percentage on target: 33%
crosses:8
Cross accuracy: 25%
through balls:1
Accurate long balls: 34
Passes per match:45.76
Tackles:23
Duels won:74
Duels lost: 84
Ariel duels won:21
Ariels duels lost:24
He cost us 25+ million. Now if you ask me I think thats really poor. Both defensive and offensive. He needs to be dropped because hes not 1st team material. Theres some people that want to give players like this who have shown little or no glimpses of something constantly good and let them play for 3/4 years before we decide they arent good enough. Im all for giving players time but as long as they show something more over a few games each time. Wijnaldum hasnt done that.
You get the same poxy responses on here "oh well hes klopps player theres nothing you can do, f you, you can have an opinion but it upsets me so it means nothing". Well klopp isnt a godsend. We can clearly see major flaws in his decisions in a lot of games. Lack of transfers aside, the fact players like Wijnaldum and Lucas and Klavan have all played so many games for us is truly worrying going into the future. So who do you want in for Wijnaldum, Can, he is worse. You don't want Henderson neither, so who do you want to play? Id compromise and buy someone for left back. Throw Wijnaldum out and play a midfield of henderson playing DM with Milner and Lallana just in front of him. Playing Wij and Henderson hasnt worked out and theres too many flaws with it. Based on form Henderson should play with Milner instead of Wijnaldum because hes been a 7/8 this season whereas Wij has been a 4/5. Henderson and Wijnadlum are too similar in what they do, its just Henderson is much more effective at doing it and offers a lot more. In fairness hes been having a great season for us, probably his best him which is good to see. He may not be world class but this season hes been very good.
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