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Re: The obsession with world-class players
jjmelling/Stato #552704 01/01/17 09:14 PM
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Yeh we really struggled to offload the failure to probably the best team in the world at the time,luckily enough we had the world class Ian Ayer on the case .

That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
Re: The obsession with world-class players
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Originally Posted By Spangles7
Really.... so who you say has achieved more greatness in there career Alonso or Suarez? Suarez with his European Cup and couple Of League Championships or Alonso with his Spanish League Championship, European Championship and World Cup winning medals...like I said when has playing at Goodison Park or Old Trafford been regarded as the world class stage ?


Alonso was a good player in great sides, much like Ryan Giggs.

Suarez was world class at Liverpool and has been world class at Barcelona.

I'm not quite sure how which ground you play at adds or retracts from a players ability.
I think goals are the same size on every pitch.
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Spangles7
Really.... so who you say has achieved more greatness in there career Alonso or Suarez? Suarez with his European Cup and couple Of League Championships or Alonso with his Spanish League Championship, European Championship and World Cup winning medals...like I said when has playing at Goodison Park or Old Trafford been regarded as the world class stage ?


Alonso was a good player in great sides, much like Ryan Giggs.

Suarez was world class at Liverpool and has been world class at Barcelona.

I'm not quite sure how which ground you play at adds or retracts from a players ability.
I think goals are the same size on every pitch.
your missing my point....I will try to explain it in another way for you... can a player from the championship if he scores 50 goals in a season playing against Villa, Ipswich and Huddersfield Town be world class ?
Re: The obsession with world-class players
jjmelling/Stato #552716 01/01/17 09:48 PM
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I'm cringing for you now Spangles.

That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
Re: The obsession with world-class players
jjmelling/Stato #552720 01/01/17 09:55 PM
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What is the definition of World Class?

For different people it is different things, I say it's when a player is one of the best players for their position in the world, so the likes of Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero, Iniesta, Lahm, Hummels, Neuer, De Gea.

Phil Neville won lots of medals, but he was never world class, then Shearer only has 1 medal, but he was world class, so it's not purely about what you win as some players are just lucky to end up in a team with some world class players like Neville did, it does not make him world class.

A team will always beat the a group of talented individuals, that's why RM struggle to win the league.
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I'm cringing for you now Spangles.
the point I am making is Suarez never even played champions league at Liverpool so how can he be classed as world classed if he never performed on that stage also he only won a league cup and last time I looked it wasn't classed as a major trophy. I think the biggest league games a Liverpool player can play in each season is against United and Everton so that's why I said that's also not a world class fixture. The most telling factor was the four biggest games Suarez played in while at Liverpool was against Cardiff League Cup Final, Chelsea F.A Cup Final, against City in the league title run in and against Chelsea in the must win game SUAREZ NEVER SHOWED UP in any of these games whatsoever and as we know world class players make there name in these types of fixtures.... this surely now clears the Suarez not being world class at Liverpool up...
Re: The obsession with world-class players
jjmelling/Stato #552723 01/01/17 09:57 PM
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If it makes you happy..go for it.

That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
Re: The obsession with world-class players
jjmelling/Stato #552724 01/01/17 09:57 PM
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We had all this last time and to spongles you have to have won shitte loads to be considered world class and to play on the biggest stage. That would mean that Anderson was world class for what he won with Utd.

A player can be 'world class' in ability like Suarez was, especially in his last season with us, and still play for a team that doesn't win much.
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Originally Posted By Spangles7
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I'm cringing for you now Spangles.
the point I am making is Suarez never even played champions league at Liverpool so how can he be classed as world classed if he never performed on that stage also he only won a league cup and last time I looked it wasn't classed as a major trophy. I think the biggest league games a Liverpool player can play in each season is against United and Everton so that's why I said that's also not a world class fixture. The most telling factor was the four biggest games Suarez played in while at Liverpool was against Cardiff League Cup Final, Chelsea F.A Cup Final, against City in the league title run in and against Chelsea in the must win game SUAREZ NEVER SHOWED UP in any of these games whatsoever and as we know world class players make there name in these types of fixtures.... this surely now clears the Suarez not being world class at Liverpool up...


So was Shearer World Class? he hardly played in the CL.
Re: The obsession with world-class players
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Originally Posted By Spangles7
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Originally Posted By Spangles7
Really.... so who you say has achieved more greatness in there career Alonso or Suarez? Suarez with his European Cup and couple Of League Championships or Alonso with his Spanish League Championship, European Championship and World Cup winning medals...like I said when has playing at Goodison Park or Old Trafford been regarded as the world class stage ?


Alonso was a good player in great sides, much like Ryan Giggs.

Suarez was world class at Liverpool and has been world class at Barcelona.

I'm not quite sure how which ground you play at adds or retracts from a players ability.
I think goals are the same size on every pitch.
your missing my point....I will try to explain it in another way for you... can a player from the championship if he scores 50 goals in a season playing against Villa, Ipswich and Huddersfield Town be world class ?


I have never been more happy to learn that I was missing the point.

Your well is starting to run dry.

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