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Just got my drink in for the Christmas period. Happy Boy now growlster

yes that's a good way to look at the situation...

It's a terrible way of looking at things. There's nothing good going on at the club and we're destined for mid table mediocrity forever.

to be honest we have been mid table for a number of years now, Spurs were always seen to be your traditional mid table Club which had the odd taste of Cup success and if you look at it now we have finished ahead of Spurs once in about the last six years. I think money has created this type of situation in football in not just the Premier League but all Leagues across the world, the richest Clubs occupy the top places, we spend about 5th or 6th revenue or spenders and we finish round about there league wise too, City and Chelsea usually the most and they normally occupy top two places last few years...

Exactly. 5th is the best we can hope for so may as well just aim for that. When Spurs have their spanking new stadium we'll have to lower our expectations to 6th.

Yep, the more you spend, the higher you generally finish, you get the occasional blip like a Leicester, who spend a fraction and achieve way above what is expected, but they are few and far between.

I do think a good Manager/scouts/coaches can elevate a club say from 6th to challenging, when you look at players like Matip, who can be picked up cheap, whereas Man City would not 'risk' a little known player, as they can go out and buy what is seen as a top class international CB in Stones for £50million.

I guess the difference is a Man City can go out and spend like a scatter gun on 5 or 6 £30-50 million pound players, knowing some will work, some will fail, then sell at a massive loss (Sinclair/Rodwell/Robinho) and write it off, then repeat the next transfer Window, where a normal club could not survive doing that.

Spurs have moved to our level/we have dropped as they have spent wisely, they have not really gone out and spent more money than us, for years we bought players which mainly failed, they have also bought younger unproven players and developed them, there was nothing stopping Liverpool doing that, Bale was not an unknown when Tottenham bought him, a few clubs were in for him at Southampton, same with Dele Alli, we nearly bough him.

this is a very good post, thoroughly enjoyed reading this view point,I think it's quite honest and accurate and puts across points in a more subtle way than my abrasive style.
Spot on about the City approach and this is why they are not going to be able to catch over the years we may beat them in one off games or even finish ahead League wise on a very rare occasion but overall the gap between them and us off the pitch is the same as the gap between Stoke City and Liverpool. The other problem is that you also have Chelsea who are loaded and United who are the biggest and most powerful Club in the world that's three super clubs you need to all have bad season all at the same time before you can even think about finishing ahead, Arsenal and now Spurs might be in the equation too.
There was never this strenghth of competition years ago where you had just one super Club mostly Liverpool and a mixture of Clubs challenging, I can even remember Graham Taylor's young Watford pushing us and finishing second one year and Bobby Robsons Ipswich Town finishing second to Villa in the early 80s, they finished second because like I say Liverpool the dominant team had a one off poor season and finished fifth, by the way it was classed as a bad season even though the same season we won the League Cup for the first time oh and also beat a team called Real Madrid to win our third European Cup...

Glad you enjoyed Spangles, abit of subtlety is always better than abrasiveness, its like what Bob Paisley used to say, if you want to be heard, speak softly...... might help you stop getting some of the flack your getting at the moment

I agree about the level of clubs competing, for 20 years the CL qualification was Man Utd/Arsenal/Liverpool, the order changed around a few times, but was mainly UTD top finishers, when Chelsea came they shook that up, but we also got the extra CL place, so it still worked for us, since City have emerged and Tottenham have stepped up, the competition is fiercer than ever.

With the SKY money, smaller clubs also can hang onto their best players, they are not forced to sell their best player every year to balance the books like they used to, so the likes of Leicester can pay Vardy enough to keep him, 10 years ago he would have had to be sold, especially at his age, so that also makes it harder for the big clubs, that's why the PL is so competitive, the likes of Stoke can buy players like Shaqiri, which would have been well out of their reach 10 years ago.

Klopp is doing the job how he always has, allot of the Dortmund 'stars' were bought buy him as failed players at other clubs or emerging players, then he fitted them into his system and turned them into stars, that's a similar model to Tottenham now, so that is the path I expect us to go down, as we have seen so far.

Sorry, but most of my life spurs have been a mid table team at best. They're greatest achievement is finishing in the top 4. We've been crap for years but we've still challenged for trophies, Spurs haven't.