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Klopp has very good tactical know how and I would say he is one of the best managers in the world but I wouldn't say he is one of the best tacticians in the world. Klopp is a motivator, not a tactician. There are differences in how a manager approaches problems and Klopp isn't a tactician that's not what he is about.
He has said he does have very good tactical know how (but I agree reds I don't know how any of his work has shown lack of it), in any regard should probably ignore it.
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hope the players have neck warmers, ear warmers to train, no point in training if you can't Effectively train -maintain fitness or try to improve, as you can't maintain heat.
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The point is not whether he failed or not. It is how a manager goes about his work. So what about Klopp's work suggests lack of tactical know how? Be specific. I can give you plenty of examples of his nous. He has a very specific and iconic tactical style that broke Bayern's stranglehold on Germany and has us currently top of the league with the most goals scored. He's been incredibly flexible and adaptable, playing with Several different attacking threats that capitalized on his gengenpressing system: Lewandowski, Abamayang, Sturridge, Origi, and Firmino are all very different breeds of striker, but they have all flourished in different ways under him. With us, compare the way we played against Dortmund to the way we played against Man City last year. Two completely different approaches: using Origi and Sturridge as in-behind strikers to break their press, vs a false 9 like Firmino to stretch City's relatively low back line. Look at the way he's remolded players like Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino, Henderson, Milner. It's an ability to understand their abilities on a tactical level that let him see beyond their natural positions. The Dortmund game started with Origi up front and Sturridge was only brought on later. Bringing Sturridge on wasn't really a tactical decision. It was a decision thrust upon him and whoever the opposition was, given the same circumstances, I believe he would always make that change. Dortmund could have won that match but they refused to change their style of play to see out the game - and I believe Klopp has a similar stubborn streak. He has so much belief in his iconic style of play and he gets his players to really buy into his style and he gets every single drop out of them. Klopp has got excellent tactical know how and as you say has remoulded players like Lallana and Milner. But the very act of remolding players to play a system that achieves this ever-present iconic style suggests he's not a tactician. He has the tactical know how which is a prerequisite of all top managers, but the edge Klopp has over others is that he has so much belief in his way playing and he transfers this belief to his players and demands every single drop out of them. He has used different types of attacking threats but all those who have become regulars over many years were able to adapt their game to Klopp's high pressing style. He is a fantastic manager and a top top motivator.
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The point is not whether he failed or not. It is how a manager goes about his work. So what about Klopp's work suggests lack of tactical know how? Be specific. I can give you plenty of examples of his nous. He has a very specific and iconic tactical style that broke Bayern's stranglehold on Germany and has us currently top of the league with the most goals scored. He's been incredibly flexible and adaptable, playing with Several different attacking threats that capitalized on his gengenpressing system: Lewandowski, Abamayang, Sturridge, Origi, and Firmino are all very different breeds of striker, but they have all flourished in different ways under him. With us, compare the way we played against Dortmund to the way we played against Man City last year. Two completely different approaches: using Origi and Sturridge as in-behind strikers to break their press, vs a false 9 like Firmino to stretch City's relatively low back line. Look at the way he's remolded players like Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino, Henderson, Milner. It's an ability to understand their abilities on a tactical level that let him see beyond their natural positions. The Dortmund game started with Origi up front and Sturridge was only brought on later. Bringing Sturridge on wasn't really a tactical decision. It was a decision thrust upon him and whoever the opposition was, given the same circumstances, I believe he would always make that change. Dortmund could have won that match but they refused to change their style of play to see out the game - and I believe Klopp has a similar stubborn streak. He has so much belief in his iconic style of play and he gets his players to really buy into his style and he gets every single drop out of them. Klopp has got excellent tactical know how and as you say has remoulded players like Lallana and Milner. But the very act of remolding players to play a system that achieves this ever-present iconic style suggests he's not a tactician. He has the tactical know how which is a prerequisite of all top managers, but the edge Klopp has over others is that he has so much belief in his way playing and he transfers this belief to his players and demands every single drop out of them. He has used different types of attacking threats but all those who have become regulars over many years were able to adapt their game to Klopp's high pressing style. He is a fantastic manager and a top top motivator. So you seem to say he is more of a strategist (long term system and style of play) than a tactician (choping and changing) in games? Who gives a fk if he has won things.
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hes still a motivator. he could be stealing ideas from scotland????
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hes still a motivator. he could be stealing ideas from scotland???? Haha, very good. Maybe there was little gems of wisdom in them envelopes that were lying about the place.
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i hate the crap as much as anyone (maybe more) but people actually tried to put their point across RS and it took this thread to 5 pages. oh well.
bring on footy pretty please
Steven Gerrard: Heartbeat of LFC.
football is fuckingg cruel
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