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Exactly Paul. Motivation will only get you so far as Harry Redkanpp will tell you! Winning the league in Germany will have taken a lot more than just being a good motivator that's for sure.
But this is RS we're talking to here so we shouldn't expect anything mo0re than his usual veiled digs at Klopp. Never said he was just a very good motivator or compared him to the likes of Harry Redknapp. Any hint of criticism about Klopp and people like you and others just run with it. And you take any chance to have a dig, which is why you get so much stick. Klopp has been criticized on here including by me. But when it's warranted not at every oppertunity like you take. I've no doubt you'd criticize the way he wipes his arse if we found out how he did it! To call him 'Klopp the motivator' is such a transparent dig and very disrespectful. You don't win what he has and get where he has by being a motivator first and foremost as you suggest. If you think you can then you know less than I already thought you did. To even think Rodgers was a good tactician again points to you knowing very little and suggests that your hard on for him is getting in your eyes. I could count the number of times he changed a game tactically on a fingrless hand! He's get Mario and plays the same. He gets Benteke and plays the same. He doesn't change a failing system until it's too late. The list goes on. What a load of tripe. Rodgers did change his style of play and system when Benteke came in. However to get so wound up about me stating obvious style differences between managers makes me think you're probably best getting off this forum because if we can't even have a discussion about our manager in case I even hint a bad word then this is probably not the place for you. that's quite a good one if you don't mind me saying
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Although ‘comebacks’ were perhaps a small part of Rodgers' Liverpool’s difficulties, the infrequency of turning games around points to Rodgers’ stubbornness in player selections and his inability to manage risk/reward situations. His continued failure to motivate and inspire his team or tactically outmanoeuvre the opposition in times of adversity was the reason he lost his job. Yes partly. As a tactician you are judged on stuff like you mentioned and you've got to have a motivated team to play to your best. now we have to talk directly about the past, joy. Rodger's team were motivated at times partly because they were able to get results going on an unbeaten run of 13 games in 14/15. As has been said several times no matter how motivated, it doesn't mean you will play your best and get the results, we were motivated for the game that season that ultimately we were beaten comfortably and tailed off there after. you have to ask though why weren't they motivated, ballotelli was getting hardly any service up front and we struggled to score goals. If they aren't motivated and they are getting paid, does the manager have no authority? do they even believe in the manager, obviously some of them praised him as a coach, others didn't believe in him. There are various reasons why the team weren't motivated for the most part, that shouldn't lie at the foot of the door of the players solely.
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Klopp builds his team to play a certain way and he will try and get every drop out of every player. He excels in overachieving against clubs with greater resources. He is not a tactician. He doesn't primarily change his tactics to get the best out of his players. He gets players who fit his style of player and being a top motivator gets the best out of the players. Hence not a tactician.
Do you even understand what tactics are? Best tacticians play cup games better as it is over a game and if you are a weaker team, you can win by outplaying the other team. Benitez was very good at that, this is why we were always doing well in CL. Klopp going to 2 finals with Brenda's team who couldn't for 3 years even with Suarez says a lot about Klopp's tactical capability. He is much better than your guy, everybody who watches football sees it, but I know, you are biased...emotionally I think.
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Exactly Paul. Motivation will only get you so far as Harry Redkanpp will tell you! Winning the league in Germany will have taken a lot more than just being a good motivator that's for sure.
But this is RS we're talking to here so we shouldn't expect anything mo0re than his usual veiled digs at Klopp. Never said he was just a very good motivator or compared him to the likes of Harry Redknapp. Any hint of criticism about Klopp and people like you and others just run with it. We are playing the best football in the EPL right now and we have now a style of play which is all tactics. What do you know about tactics? The great tactician Rodgers is in the Scotish league, nowhere near Klopp, he has had one good season in his career finishing second, that's about it. If he is such a great tactician, how come none of City, Chelsea, United took him, they all changed managers and he was available? Sorry mate, your footballing knowledge is very poor. I don't need to be an expert on football tactics. Just like you don't need to be expert to spot the difference between a target man striker and a poacher. Same with the style of manager. Top of the league and you're still at it. It must kill you when you look at the league table.
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I don't think any utd fans are happy when they look at the table shaggy.
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Exactly Paul. Motivation will only get you so far as Harry Redkanpp will tell you! Winning the league in Germany will have taken a lot more than just being a good motivator that's for sure.
But this is RS we're talking to here so we shouldn't expect anything mo0re than his usual veiled digs at Klopp. Never said he was just a very good motivator or compared him to the likes of Harry Redknapp. Any hint of criticism about Klopp and people like you and others just run with it. We are playing the best football in the EPL right now and we have now a style of play which is all tactics. What do you know about tactics? The great tactician Rodgers is in the Scotish league, nowhere near Klopp, he has had one good season in his career finishing second, that's about it. If he is such a great tactician, how come none of City, Chelsea, United took him, they all changed managers and he was available? Sorry mate, your footballing knowledge is very poor. I don't need to be an expert on football tactics. Just like you don't need to be expert to spot the difference between a target man striker and a poacher. Same with the style of manager. I don't know what an expert in football is but one needs to know and understand football to talk tactics. Saying that Klopp is not technically astute (and Brendon is) can only be done by a few who don't know football, especially if they cannot explain. It has been prooved here that Klopp came back from losing positions more than Brendon, so what exactly is your rational arguement.
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Never said he was just a very good motivator or compared him to the likes of Harry Redknapp. Any hint of criticism about Klopp and people like you and others just run with it.
And you take any chance to have a dig, which is why you get so much stick. Klopp has been criticized on here including by me. But when it's warranted not at every oppertunity like you take. I've no doubt you'd criticize the way he wipes his arse if we found out how he did it! To call him 'Klopp the motivator' is such a transparent dig and very disrespectful. You don't win what he has and get where he has by being a motivator first and foremost as you suggest. If you think you can then you know less than I already thought you did. To even think Rodgers was a good tactician again points to you knowing very little and suggests that your hard on for him is getting in your eyes. I could count the number of times he changed a game tactically on a fingrless hand! He's get Mario and plays the same. He gets Benteke and plays the same. He doesn't change a failing system until it's too late. The list goes on. However to get so wound up about me stating obvious style differences between managers makes me think you're probably best getting off this forum because if we can't even have a discussion about our manager in case I even hint a bad word then this is probably not the place for you. Which failed.......... I'm lost The point is not whether he failed or not. It is how a manager goes about his work.
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But you are calling Rodgers a tactician. I can go on xfactor tomorrow and sing a song, but I can't sing, so I would not call myself a singer or a good one.
You are trying to make out that Rodgers is a better tactician than Klopp which he is not. You brought up that a tactician makes weird changes that no one would think of. Well I can sing a wierd song but it will still sound [oops]. Benitez was good at it, he won games doing it, he won against the big boys like Klopp did. Both Klopp and Benitez done it against the odds, Rodgers did not.
You talked about making changes when the team is losing. I just had a very quick google and showed you some stats. Do you want to go and dig up more? Because to me it looks like Klopp's record from losing positions is better than Rodgers, which means he makes better tactical changes to win games than Rodgers. ie Klopp is a better Tactician than Rodgers.
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What a load of tripe. Rodgers did change his style of play and system when Benteke came in.
However to get so wound up about me stating obvious style differences between managers makes me think you're probably best getting off this forum because if we can't even have a discussion about our manager in case I even hint a bad word then this is probably not the place for you.
Which failed.......... I'm lost The point is not whether he failed or not. It is how a manager goes about his work. He went about his work changing to a negative brand of football, he wanted to create a team that was good at breaking teams down with Benteke, (markovic) something we had failed to continue with carroll but had some success. liverpool fans weren't prepared to give him a 2 year time period to rebuild. We played terrible football in the new style, completely afraid to lose. The standard at the start was diabolical, it steadily improved as the season went on. Yet you cling onto the results rodgers got before he was sacked and compare them as a win percentage projected with klopp's results percentages it's crazy. If you accepted reality it would be much easier to read your posts criticising klopp and posts digging at those who attack rodgers.
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The point is not whether he failed or not. It is how a manager goes about his work. So what about Klopp's work suggests lack of tactical know how? Be specific. I can give you plenty of examples of his nous. He has a very specific and iconic tactical style that broke Bayern's stranglehold on Germany and has us currently top of the league with the most goals scored. He's been incredibly flexible and adaptable, playing with Several different attacking threats that capitalized on his gengenpressing system: Lewandowski, Abamayang, Sturridge, Origi, and Firmino are all very different breeds of striker, but they have all flourished in different ways under him. With us, compare the way we played against Dortmund to the way we played against Man City last year. Two completely different approaches: using Origi and Sturridge as in-behind strikers to break their press, vs a false 9 like Firmino to stretch City's relatively low back line. Look at the way he's remolded players like Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino, Henderson, Milner. It's an ability to understand their abilities on a tactical level that let him see beyond their natural positions.
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