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I'll wait 3 years before I judge Klopp. Building something takes patience. I've been waiting since 1991 so no rush now. Unfortunately as a club we can't fix everything in one or two windows. The thing about building is that you must have a blueprint of what your final edifice is going to look like, then you have to lay solid foundations, sufficient to sustain the weight and the stresses and strains that will inevitably assail your edifice. When you look at the quality of the foundation being laid down by Klopp Construction Ltd, you'd be loath as an engineer to write a certificate for it. It looks way too lightweight by half for me. Freebies, loanees, retirees, aspiring prospects, etc. no the foundations and the lack of any apparent blueprint is too lightweight and too ad hock for a certificate of compliance by this structural engineer, that's for sure.
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Fantastic motivator, gets the last drop out of every player. I actually think Klopp and FSG are a really good fit. I like how he wants to build a team of 11 rather than building a team around a couple of individuals. Fans love him, really good brand of football when we play well. He is a specialist in developing teams with modest resources.
My only problem I have is how far can we go with limited resources (FSG). This is the Prem not the Bundesliga after all , and we have got Utd and City with vast resources and great tacticians in Guardiola and Mourinho. Klopp I believe is the best manager in the world to work on the resources we have and compete right at the top of the table.
The only question I have left is can Klopp make up for the gap in resources between the top teams and be able to compete with the master tacticians such as Mourinho and Guardiola on a consistent basis?
I fear the only we can truly compete is with more resources and a master tactician like our rivals, but you just never know.
Well he has already performed exactly the same task in Germany by overcoming a team with much larger resources in Bayern Munich, so surely he is the man for the job. What other manager can you suggest who has done the same? The only others I can think of are Rafa and Ranieri. Would you suggest one of these? Granted it is more difficult in the Premier league as there are three clubs who will spend their way out of any problems rather than one in Germany, however I think he is the perfect manager for us at this time and I can't think of another manager who would have a better chance of bringing back trophies. He's already come close to two in just a few months with what was a struggling team. Ah..er..I have a hazy memory of two previous managers working under FSG restrictions who not only got us to cup finals but actually won one each...ahem... Who were the 2 then?? I only remember Kenny doing it. Rafa had gone by the time they got here and Roy and Brenda didn't get a thing did they?
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Fantastic motivator, gets the last drop out of every player. I actually think Klopp and FSG are a really good fit. I like how he wants to build a team of 11 rather than building a team around a couple of individuals. Fans love him, really good brand of football when we play well. He is a specialist in developing teams with modest resources.
My only problem I have is how far can we go with limited resources (FSG). This is the Prem not the Bundesliga after all , and we have got Utd and City with vast resources and great tacticians in Guardiola and Mourinho. Klopp I believe is the best manager in the world to work on the resources we have and compete right at the top of the table.
The only question I have left is can Klopp make up for the gap in resources between the top teams and be able to compete with the master tacticians such as Mourinho and Guardiola on a consistent basis?
I fear the only we can truly compete is with more resources and a master tactician like our rivals, but you just never know.
Well he has already performed exactly the same task in Germany by overcoming a team with much larger resources in Bayern Munich, so surely he is the man for the job. What other manager can you suggest who has done the same? The only others I can think of are Rafa and Ranieri. Would you suggest one of these? Granted it is more difficult in the Premier league as there are three clubs who will spend their way out of any problems rather than one in Germany, however I think he is the perfect manager for us at this time and I can't think of another manager who would have a better chance of bringing back trophies. He's already come close to two in just a few months with what was a struggling team. Ah..er..I have a hazy memory of two previous managers working under FSG restrictions who not only got us to cup finals but actually won one each...ahem... Who were the 2 then?? I only remember Kenny doing it. Rafa had gone by the time they got here and Roy and Brenda didn't get a thing did they? Yeah you're right wilkij, Rafa had gone, but still one loaf is better than no bread...ahem, ah..er.. Would you have anything there for hazy...nay faulty memory wilk's?
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I'll wait 3 years before I judge Klopp. Building something takes patience. I've been waiting since 1991 so no rush now. Unfortunately as a club we can't fix everything in one or two windows. A sensible and realistic way to look at things.
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Fantastic motivator, gets the last drop out of every player. I actually think Klopp and FSG are a really good fit. I like how he wants to build a team of 11 rather than building a team around a couple of individuals. Fans love him, really good brand of football when we play well. He is a specialist in developing teams with modest resources.
My only problem I have is how far can we go with limited resources (FSG). This is the Prem not the Bundesliga after all , and we have got Utd and City with vast resources and great tacticians in Guardiola and Mourinho. Klopp I believe is the best manager in the world to work on the resources we have and compete right at the top of the table.
The only question I have left is can Klopp make up for the gap in resources between the top teams and be able to compete with the master tacticians such as Mourinho and Guardiola on a consistent basis?
I fear the only we can truly compete is with more resources and a master tactician like our rivals, but you just never know.
Well he has already performed exactly the same task in Germany by overcoming a team with much larger resources in Bayern Munich, so surely he is the man for the job. What other manager can you suggest who has done the same? The only others I can think of are Rafa and Ranieri. Would you suggest one of these? Granted it is more difficult in the Premier league as there are three clubs who will spend their way out of any problems rather than one in Germany, however I think he is the perfect manager for us at this time and I can't think of another manager who would have a better chance of bringing back trophies. He's already come close to two in just a few months with what was a struggling team. Ah..er..I have a hazy memory of two previous managers working under FSG restrictions who not only got us to cup finals but actually won one each...ahem... Well Dalglish did and I thought at the time and still do that it was a mistake to sack him and replace him with Rodgers. You could realistically say he performed better than Klopp did last season, given he did win one of the finals and also finished higher in the league. I don't think he would be a better man for the job than Klopp at this moment in time though. I don't see anybody put there who is, like I said he's the perfect manager for us at the moment. There doesn't seem to be much belief in him or our team on this forum but they guy is a winner and I'm confident we'll win something this year and be top 4 at least.
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I'll wait 3 years before I judge Klopp. Building something takes patience. I've been waiting since 1991 so no rush now. Unfortunately as a club we can't fix everything in one or two windows. A sensible and realistic way to look at things. I agree with his post to an extent we have to let klopp have his chance 3 years seems about right but not sure if the waiting thing there has to be a purpose to the waiting not waiting for waitings sake which I get the feeling is where we are to be honest
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Yeah you're right wilkij, Rafa had gone, but still one loaf is better than no bread...ahem, ah..er.. Would you have anything there for hazy...nay faulty memory wilk's? Haha! Good, I thought it was my memory going then!
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Fantastic motivator, gets the last drop out of every player. I actually think Klopp and FSG are a really good fit. I like how he wants to build a team of 11 rather than building a team around a couple of individuals. Fans love him, really good brand of football when we play well. He is a specialist in developing teams with modest resources.
My only problem I have is how far can we go with limited resources (FSG). This is the Prem not the Bundesliga after all , and we have got Utd and City with vast resources and great tacticians in Guardiola and Mourinho. Klopp I believe is the best manager in the world to work on the resources we have and compete right at the top of the table.
The only question I have left is can Klopp make up for the gap in resources between the top teams and be able to compete with the master tacticians such as Mourinho and Guardiola on a consistent basis?
I fear the only we can truly compete is with more resources and a master tactician like our rivals, but you just never know.
Well he has already performed exactly the same task in Germany by overcoming a team with much larger resources in Bayern Munich, so surely he is the man for the job. What other manager can you suggest who has done the same? The only others I can think of are Rafa and Ranieri. Would you suggest one of these? Granted it is more difficult in the Premier league as there are three clubs who will spend their way out of any problems rather than one in Germany, however I think he is the perfect manager for us at this time and I can't think of another manager who would have a better chance of bringing back trophies. He's already come close to two in just a few months with what was a struggling team. Ah..er..I have a hazy memory of two previous managers working under FSG restrictions who not only got us to cup finals but actually won one each...ahem... Well Dalglish did and I thought at the time and still do that it was a mistake to sack him and replace him with Rodgers. You could realistically say he performed better than Klopp did last season, given he did win one of the finals and also finished higher in the league. I don't think he would be a better man for the job than Klopp at this moment in time though. I don't see anybody put there who is, like I said he's the perfect manager for us at the moment. There doesn't seem to be much belief in him or our team on this forum but they guy is a winner and I'm confident we'll win something this year and be top 4 at least. Yeah I believe Klopp is a very good manager, but I also believe that even the best managers need to have a squad roughly equal in quality terms to the squads of their main competitors, all other things being equal. No manager is a Merlin despite some of the stuff we see on here, I said that about Kenny, I said it about Rodgers and I've said it about Klopp. I've also said that Klopp's style of persisting running, closing down and pressing the opposition high when they have possession can mask the quality deficit to some extent, but unless you have very good backup players to rotate, and not play in too many competitions, you won't be able to do the heavy metal stuff in every game for a full season. As for Kenny they didn't really give him much of a chance, nor did some fans on here, funnily enough the same fans that now want to give Klopp 3 years weren't prepared to give Kenny, a club legend the same time...why I wonder?
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Yeah I believe Klopp is a very good manager, but I also believe that even the best managers need to have a squad roughly equal in quality terms to the squads of their main competitors, all other things being equal. If this is the case why do you expect Klopp to at least (your words) match Rodgers' 2nd place finish? We're competing against Mourinho at Man Utd and Guardiola at Man City which means those teams are now a lot better and tougher! We also don't have a Suarez or a Gerrard to mask over obvious weaknesses in the rest of our team!
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Yeah I believe Klopp is a very good manager, but I also believe that even the best managers need to have a squad roughly equal in quality terms to the squads of their main competitors, all other things being equal. If this is the case why do you expect Klopp to at least (your words) match Rodgers' 2nd place finish? We're competing against Mourinho at Man Utd and Guardiola at Man City which means those teams are now a lot better and tougher! We also don't have a Suarez or a Gerrard to mask over obvious weaknesses in the rest of our team! Because given Klopp's style of play which puts high demands on players energy/stamina levels this season offers him a good opportunity as he has less games to play without European competition, and his players will be better able to run and press etc. I don't think Rodgers would have challenged for the title when he did if he had European competition that season. It's a heaven sent opportunity for Klopp, especially with those managers you mention settling in at their new clubs.
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