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Yeah ye voted to be part of the then European community which has evolved , and not into some sort of right denying military police either..it has lots of faults but imo the good outweigh the faults. Wanna vote out then vote out, but its not denying u freedoms,watching boris on the news there talking about bananas and vaccum cleaner standards, what a berk ,if thats the freedom argument he is going with he is just looking like a fool. Being a fool is basing your vote on celebrities be they politicians or other celebrities make your own mind up based on your judgement. I can't say I am over impressed with George Osbourne either are you ?
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But the guys campaigning for an out are likely going to be ur leaders too , and they are all drifting out far right towards the direction Trump is at across the water. The EU has been good for regional democracy,individuals rights and good for your country turning u into a economic trading force, and you wanna throw that away over vaccum cleaner suction rates? that level of argument is stupid from the out campaign, and it follows hitler and racist comments from them too. Idiotic stuff and i think it really all boils down to stop immigrants before global warming and global war gets everyone running into ur country.
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But the guys campaigning for an out are likely going to be ur leaders too , and they are all drifting out far right towards the direction Trump is at across the water. The EU has been good for regional democracy,individuals rights and good for your country turning u into a economic trading force, and you wanna throw that away over vaccum cleaner suction rates? that level of argument is stupid from the out campaign, and it follows hitler and racist comments from them too. Idiotic stuff and i think it really all boils down to stop immigrants before global warming and global war gets everyone running into ur country. What a load of twaddle. If we vote to leave the EU the politicians who have campaigned to leave don't by default become our leaders. The only person who will lead our country in the event of brexit will be a democratically elected prime minister almost certainly from either labour or Tory as now. But with one key difference they will have power to implement the wishes of the British people. The rest of your post is a random rant
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Its right wing Stan, nation state ,regressive politics that's all it is.
Living in the EU I have never once felt the EU was denying me a right to do something, you will have the same powers,same economy , same military,same courts. You have elected representatives to fight your case in a wider regional issues that sure as hell ain't great but in the wider scheme of things is better than going back to bismark style inward looking racist nation state crap. UKIP and Boris the racist are leading the out campaign,says it all.
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I have studied economics vish and consider myself well enough versed to be able to form my own opinion without the need to replicate what politicians say or hired members of the political class like mark carney I also take with a pinch of salt what Obama said Obama was concerned with US interests not the UK. Whereas if I took your advice I would simply follow whatever he said. Staying in the EU is not without risks look at the huge threats within the EU political unrest the rise of the far right the euro the migration crisis the new poor accession States who can predict the outcome of that ? no one can seriously predict the outcome either in or out of the EU that's why my thought process is on democracy British should gain the power to run itself that's no less vish than you demand of your own country yet you would deny us that I come to UK about once a year and regularly meet and talk to British C-level business partners and not one of them want to leave Europe or say that their democracy has been denied, seriously. Again this is non of my business but what I see is the only party for leaving is UKIP and a few Tory politicians who have other agendas like Boris who wants to take Cameron's place. Yes, they will all have arguements but ask yourself why the majority of your Conservatives want to stay, don't they want freedom suddenly? If you are a better economist that those I hear and read for eg in the Economist, then I rest my case.
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You may come to the UK once a year vish I am here every day of the year. No I am not a top economist but I am capable of making an informed decision in an election and I consider myself well read up on issues sufficient to vote logically anyway. But in any case as I keep saying it's not about the economy but democracy is Mauritius ruled by nearby islands ? I don't know ? when I was in America I asked several Americans would they be happy with Mexico or Canada making their laws their answer was unprintable. But whatever the so called top government economists think the people of Britain don't agree the polls are neck and neck what a shame they don't think as the poltical establishment think they should.
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You may come to the UK once a year vish I am here every day of the year. No I am not a top economist but I am capable of making an informed decision in an election and I consider myself well read up on issues sufficient to vote logically anyway. But in any case as I keep saying it's not about the economy but democracy is Mauritius ruled by nearby islands ? I don't know ? when I was in America I asked several Americans would they be happy with Mexico or Canada making their laws their answer was unprintable. But whatever the so called top government economists think the people of Britain don't agree the polls are neck and neck what a shame they don't think as the poltical establishment think they should. From what I've seen cannot call UK undemocratic and yes, I think it should be about the economy and not emotions, as I don't think Europe is ruling your country. From an outside view, it looks to me that the main concrete thing for the leave campaigners is immigration from the poorer European countries, this is why the ONLY party supporting it is UKIP and those who want to leave are closer to UKIP's ideology, ie, far right. There must be a reason why even the majority of conservative politicians want to stay. Not my problem but it would be such a shame to see what I think would be a step back for UK if they leave. Also I think UK will disintegrate it Scotland first leaving, mark my words.
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I find it funny when anti EU promoters label the pro-EU tactics as scare tactics...and then proceed to use scare tactics themselves saying that the poorer economies will drain your money. It's the UK taxpayers money bla bla bla bull...the poor countries looking to join will have our taxpayers money sent to them etc. Only, you forget that the process of joining the EU took Croatia over 10 years from when they opened talks. Serbia only opened talks last year for example. Also, you forget that Britain has a VETO vote on countries wishing to join. So, Britain controls that aspect if they wish to.
It's just scare tactics from the right wing...
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I find it funny when anti EU promoters label the pro-EU tactics as scare tactics...and then proceed to use scare tactics themselves saying that the poorer economies will drain your money. It's the UK taxpayers money bla bla bla bull...the poor countries looking to join will have our taxpayers money sent to them etc. Only, you forget that the process of joining the EU took Croatia over 10 years from when they opened talks. Serbia only opened talks last year for example. Also, you forget that Britain has a VETO vote on countries wishing to join. So, Britain controls that aspect if they wish to.
It's just scare tactics from the right wing... People are dying in Britain because the NHS is restricting drugs, drugs which are available in other counties care homes are being shut one of many examples I could name you a hundred. I live in Britain and I live in a working class area I can tell you without any doubt at all people who are voting to leave are not right wing they are the poor of Britain those who want to stay in Europe are in the main the rich and the middle class. When your mother is thrown out of a care home or when you are told by the oncologist they could cure you but the drugs are not allocated then I can assure you, you would not be in favour of giving money away to other countries.
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You guys don't live in Britain and when you do venture here I bet it's to places like London come to Manchester Liverpool Sheffield or Newcastle to see the real Britain. Since 2010 the government to save money has made £36 billion of public sector cut backs hitting entirely the poor in Britain. In that same period our government has paid £42 billion to the EU to give to other countries. According to the polls half of UK voters want to pull out of the EU they are almost entirely the British poor your assertion of them being right wing racists is so wide of the mark I can't find words to describe how off the mark you are. Come to the real Britain and talk to real people
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