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Not my problem at all but following the so called debate out of interest. What I see funny is that as soon as economists, business leaders, Obama, Clinton, Lagarde etc say that a Brexit would be bad for England (not even UK as if this happens Scotland will win the next out referendum) the leave guys say it is a fear campaign. It's as if they want it only for emotional reasons, well this is what I see as an outsider. The funniest was today when your PM said that ministers in his own government do know know what they are talking about regarding the veto for Turkey to join. This is ridiculous as he talking about his own government, what a joke and are you people even serious about this clown called Boris Johnson, he looks more as somebody to do well in a circus?

To be fair Vish, both sides are using scare tactics. No one knows for sure what will happen if we stay or leave which makes it a difficult decision for most people who I speak to about it.

You're right about Boris though. I find him amusing but only in a way you'd find a clown amusing and wouldn't want him any where close to running our country.

I am not sure but it looks to me that more economists and business leaders of the bigger companies are for the in campaign and this is what rational people should look for. Talking about migrants, how many British people would wish to re-start doing the job the migrants are doing now, I mean low paid manual jobs. We have a similar problem where Bangladeshis are working in our factories because Mauritians don't want to work there, but of course unions want a ban on foreign workers. Last but not least, why would Cameron wish to stay in Europe, I don't think he has anything to gain from it whereas Boris is just looking at his own interest to take over the conservative party.

I personally am not paying attention to the immigrant debate. I'd rather we not take people in hand over fist but there's more to it than that.

I think I'll be voting to stay in as its better the devil you know and all that but I agree with Stan on the whole choosing our own rule makers thing so am a little torn. I'm sure my one vote won't sway it either way but it's a difficult and very important decision to make.

Interesting comment from vish that rationale people should listen to the political class people like Cameron Blair Osborne and various cronies brought out to scare people on a daily basis this is the biggest political manipulation in history. And if only the rational people listen to the poltical class that's interesting because desite all that the polls are neck and neck is vish is correct half the British nation is irrational if that's true it does not matter how we vote we belong in an institution. Unlike vish I have a lot more faith in the British people we are not as stupid as the political class think we are

Of course you will read only part of what I wrote and as usual say what I didn't. I said most economists, business leaders, Obama, Clinton, Lagarde (who are not British), when did I say British cronies? What I did ask was why would Cameron want to stay when he is a conservative who in the first place wanted to leave, probably because he thinks it is better for Britain now. As I said, if you are rational you would listen to economists, not politicians, British people like you would have liked the British Empire to still exist because you think you are better than the rest and integration is not something you like. Just ask yourself why tory members want to stay and why Boris the clown wants to be against Cameron, and saying that it is only because they are cronies is not very intelligent.

I have studied economics vish and consider myself well enough versed to be able to form my own opinion without the need to replicate what politicians say or hired members of the political class like mark carney I also take with a pinch of salt what Obama said Obama was concerned with US interests not the UK. Whereas if I took your advice I would simply follow whatever he said. Staying in the EU is not without risks look at the huge threats within the EU political unrest the rise of the far right the euro the migration crisis the new poor accession States who can predict the outcome of that ? no one can seriously predict the outcome either in or out of the EU that's why my thought process is on democracy British should gain the power to run itself that's no less vish than you demand of your own country yet you would deny us that

omg so dramtic, not like EU police are knocking down ur door telling u to do stuff, u already run ur own country, u voted to be in the eu so nobody is denying u anything, if u want out vote out but don't play the denying our freedom card..sounds weird and funny coming from imperalist uk anyway

That's factually incorrect Britain has never voted to be in the EU that's the whole point of the referendum we voted in 1975 to be part of the common market and I have no problem with that

Yeah ye voted to be part of the then European community which has evolved , and not into some sort of right denying military police either..it has lots of faults but imo the good outweigh the faults. Wanna vote out then vote out, but its not denying u freedoms,watching boris on the news there talking about bananas and vaccum cleaner standards, what a berk ,if thats the freedom argument he is going with he is just looking like a fool.