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I've already said, calling someone a lightweight is unfair criticism because it shouldn't majorly impact their game to the extent they can't bring out their quality imo - unless they are a striker in which case they will most definitely need some brawn. but wanting to replace him with potentially a better player is different
..and how was I 'on your arse' this is a forum you can reply to anything you like call whatever u would like to. use whatever name or term. if we see we can buy an improvement on certain position on a not really crazy money then why not..likewise if they are wanted by others for silly money then why not. no one is irreplaceable .. agree with those who said that looks unlikley Klopp is willing to sell lallana just yet
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I like him Ninja. Think he's a very good player. The problem I have it that I still think we over paid for him. You could argue he's worth what we paid now but for me, at the time, he was more like a £15m player. lots of factors,but i do think him being homegrown n English player etc was a major reason
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football is fuckingg cruel
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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had. Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. I'd say Klopp has got a lot right, as regards getting a bit more from our squad using his high energy, high press and attacking style of play. However it's a bit of a stretch to use words like fantastic, outstanding etc, especially with Lallana and Moreno. Also players like Firmino and Coutinho can still be very hit and miss, you never quite know what you're going to get from game to game. You list seven out of over thirty recruited by the committee and say they show that the committee got a lot right, but that's stretching credibility a bit thin for me.
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Couldn't have said it better myself Herc so i'm glad you did.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had. Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. I'd say Klopp has got a lot right, as regards getting a bit more from our squad using his high energy, high press and attacking style of play. However it's a bit of a stretch to use words like fantastic, outstanding etc, especially with Lallana and Moreno. Also players like Firmino and Coutinho can still be very hit and miss, you never quite know what you're going to get from game to game. You list seven out of over thirty recruited by the committee and say they show that the committee got a lot right, but that's stretching credibility a bit thin for me. I thought it would be unfair to list the likes of Aspas or Borini who never got a chance under Klopp. Aspas was doing very well in Spain prior to moving to LFC.Downing, Carroll also never got a chance under a manager like Klopp, I see Carroll is doing really well at West Ham. Luis Alberto is having a really good season at Deportivo, Assaidi was moved on for a tidy profit. Who am I missing? Don't misunderstand though, I never said that the committee got them all right, just that their hit rate wasn't nearly as bad as we all once thought. Furthermore, I feel I can use the term great regarding Moreno, he has created the most goalscoring chances out of all Premier league defenders. That's pretty great. Lallana is seen as a key cog by Klopp for a reason. That's pretty great too in my opinion.
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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had. Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. I'd say Klopp has got a lot right, as regards getting a bit more from our squad using his high energy, high press and attacking style of play. However it's a bit of a stretch to use words like fantastic, outstanding etc, especially with Lallana and Moreno. Also players like Firmino and Coutinho can still be very hit and miss, you never quite know what you're going to get from game to game. You list seven out of over thirty recruited by the committee and say they show that the committee got a lot right, but that's stretching credibility a bit thin for me. I thought it would be unfair to list the likes of Aspas or Borini who never got a chance under Klopp. Aspas was doing very well in Spain prior to moving to LFC.Downing, Carroll also never got a chance under a manager like Klopp, I see Carroll is doing really well at West Ham. Luis Alberto is having a really good season at Deportivo, Assaidi was moved on for a tidy profit. Who am I missing? Don't misunderstand though, I never said that the committee got them all right, just that their hit rate wasn't nearly as bad as we all once thought. Furthermore, I feel I can use the term great regarding Moreno, he has created the most goalscoring chances out of all Premier league defenders. That's pretty great. Lallana is seen as a key cog by Klopp for a reason. That's pretty great too in my opinion. You do have a point as under Klopp most of the players bar Benteke are playing better. However, IMO, you are exagerating a bit and the litmus test is who can be sold at the price they were bought, basically testing if the purchase was a success or not. Lallana is doing a good job but should score more in his position, Firmino really goes missing in games and doesn't have the impact a 25-29m player should have, Sakho is not a 16m defender. The players who can be sold at a profit, therefore performing at or better than the expected levels are Coutinho, Sturridge, Can, Milner, Clyne for me this is what the committee got right.
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coming good = playing well, can we make this all a bit simpler for me
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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had. Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. I'd say Klopp has got a lot right, as regards getting a bit more from our squad using his high energy, high press and attacking style of play. However it's a bit of a stretch to use words like fantastic, outstanding etc, especially with Lallana and Moreno. Also players like Firmino and Coutinho can still be very hit and miss, you never quite know what you're going to get from game to game. You list seven out of over thirty recruited by the committee and say they show that the committee got a lot right, but that's stretching credibility a bit thin for me. I thought it would be unfair to list the likes of Aspas or Borini who never got a chance under Klopp. Aspas was doing very well in Spain prior to moving to LFC.Downing, Carroll also never got a chance under a manager like Klopp, I see Carroll is doing really well at West Ham. Luis Alberto is having a really good season at Deportivo, Assaidi was moved on for a tidy profit. Who am I missing? Don't misunderstand though, I never said that the committee got them all right, just that their hit rate wasn't nearly as bad as we all once thought. Furthermore, I feel I can use the term great regarding Moreno, he has created the most goalscoring chances out of all Premier league defenders. That's pretty great. Lallana is seen as a key cog by Klopp for a reason. That's pretty great too in my opinion. well if it hadn't of been we'd be needing to do even more buying in the summer
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I see a lot of people saying Firmino goes missing and should be contributing more for a player who cost as much as he did, but with 10 goals and 7 assists in the premier league, I feel he has contributed quite well for a midfielder.
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especially playing in no mans land, I think we saw how sturridge helped him, not just for the goal
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