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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had. Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. As soon as the players do well it is the transfer committee. When a lot of them under perform it was all down to Rodgers. Klopp is benefiting from Rodgers good work. The season or two these players needed to adapt and settle was time spend under Rodgers. Klopp has come in after a lot of these players have already undergone there settling in period. A large share of the credit must go to Rodgers.
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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had. Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. As soon as the players do well it is the transfer committee. When a lot of them under perform it was all down to Rodgers. Klopp is benefiting from Rodgers good work. The season or two these players needed to adapt and settle was time spend under Rodgers. Klopp has come in after a lot of these players have already undergone there settling in period. A large share of the credit must go to Rodgers. I agree with the first bit. They should all take their share of the praise and blame where needed as they were all involved. The second bit I don't agree with. Rodgers had them playing like a bag of shitte and it wasn't down to them not settling in.
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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had.
Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. The bit I highlighted is the biggest problem for me. When you don't let the manager buy who HE wants to fit the way he plays it's always going to fail. These players just happen to be 'right' for Klopp at the moment but what if the committee buy players that aren't right for him? We'll be back to square one and won't build on a good start for Klopp. Give Klopp the money and let him spend it as he sees fit. It's the only way it'll work as a committee of people will never know exactly what the manager wants. I agree Wilks, but then we have to ask ourselves, was Rodgers part of the committee and did he have a say? He always claimed he had the final say, IF HE DIDN'T, then WHY did he quiet about it? I have no sympathy for him in that case. Klopp clearly stated he has the final say and that he wouldn't accept coming to Liverpool in any other case. If he doesn't approve the transfers, then they don't happen. If he doesn't want the the players, they dont come in. End of. If Rodgers was willing to accept whoever the committee chose without HIS input, then he is more to blame than the TC. The TC has clearly identified a few gems. A top manager adjusts the style of play to suit the players at his disposal. He does not play Markovic and Sterling as wingbacks. I always remember how Mourinho adjusted his stzle of play at Inter to suit Diego Milito and how he made Milito look like a world beater. A completely average Milito was transformed into a world class striker. Rodgers always didn't get the players he wanted, he said after he got sacked. Why doesn't Klopp adjust his style of play for Sturridge and Benteke then?
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Rodgers always didn't get the players he wanted, he said after he got sacked.
Why doesn't Klopp adjust his style of play for Sturridge and Benteke then? He also made claims to the contrary while he was in charge.
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Because we have more players suited to this style of play than to Benteke's style. Simple really.
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Rodgers always didn't get the players he wanted, he said after he got sacked. Why doesn't Klopp adjust his style of play for Sturridge and Benteke then? [/quote] When did he say that? At best he was a muppet of FSG then otherwise a poor manager, the worst we've had as he didn't win antthing over 3 seasons.
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Klopp apparently rates Lallana very very highly, and I can see why. He calls him our hunter, our first line of pressing. Lallana has become one of the first names on the team sheet under Klopp and I also rate him very highly. I don't think he is going anywhere. I respect the fact many don't agree, but you all know I'm right, right?  ; :p  better hope we can see more of the attacking side of his game then, but then I don't know if i want to see it - I rather he stick to doing what he does best right now which is his pressing and defensive work, and limitedness in the final third. yes pochettino got the best out of lallana when he was at saints but I personally don't see him as a 10 goals a season + player. having said that he has been pivotal, and perhaps is pivotal to our progression as a team, that's why I was perhaps a little hasty saying I'd swap lamela for him. sorry mate.i thought u were on my arse yest for calling him lightwight etc.now u talking about swapping him. how does that work
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I've already said, calling someone a lightweight is unfair criticism because it shouldn't majorly impact their game to the extent they can't bring out their quality imo - unless they are a striker in which case they will most definitely need some brawn. but wanting to replace him with potentially a better player is different
..and how was I 'on your arse' this is a forum you can reply to anything you like
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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had. Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. As soon as the players do well it is the transfer committee. When a lot of them under perform it was all down to Rodgers. Klopp is benefiting from Rodgers good work. The season or two these players needed to adapt and settle was time spend under Rodgers. Klopp has come in after a lot of these players have already undergone there settling in period. A large share of the credit must go to Rodgers. oh [oops] off.. u r getting on my nerves now with this love ..hes history. lets talk about our current manager and how lucky we are to have him. great person.great manager and i think that he (with his assistants??) is very good tactician as well..something i believe is being overlooked due to Klopps character and passion.from my very limited observation and knowledge of the game,i think hes just great. Complete Package and best manager we could have. motivates,leads,hes passionate.what else should we wish for. FFuckkk moaning about past managers. move on .shall we
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To answer Dunc's question: would you rather keep Allen or Lallana? Predictably I rather keep lallana, it's easier to buy another CM (like pastore - yes he has played 8 times for psg as a CM although he can also play in attack mid) than it is to buy an AM who can play well as a deep left or right mid/right forward who nits the midfield to the attack well.
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