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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had. Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions.
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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had. Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. We all know how this thread will end up.... But personally, I'd agree. No matter how spanking new or how powered up the car is, if the driver is not at the same high level, it can only perform so much.
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I wouldn't call Allen 20m right, nor really would I call lallana 25m complete value for money since he signed either. yeah our and moneyball hasn't been a total failure 3-3.5/6 isn't bad hit and miss rate. klopp's done well to stabilize the squad, only now it is stabilized is it easier to improve, as there is better direction. spending smart means investing in the areas needed improvement most
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Wasn't Allen a total of 15? I think that is the going rate for a decent squad player nowadays. To be honest, I don't really care what he cost, i care about whether he is a decent backup option and I feel he is.
Also, for every Allen, there is a Coutinho who cost some 8.5mil. The point is, they are all pretty good quality players.
As far as Lallana goes, I think he was mediocre unde BR but I feel he has been absolutely immense under Klopp, his pressing and attacking play has been very impressive and I feel he was a good buy at 25mil, especially taking the homegrown quota into consideration.
Of course, not everyone will agree, but that's just how I see it.
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I think Milner was a better signing on a free than allen, if we're talking about spending smart. Milner has been crucial for our europa league campaign and has played his part in helping us finish where we have in the league, as has lallana, but milner slightly more so. Dalglish and his scouting signed coutinho.
Is allen sufficient backup, maybe, he has improved his game slightly since he first came onto the scene, he also put some good performances together under rodgers, he likes to press.
Yes lallana was mediorce under BR, he's benefitted from having more of a central berth, and he's repayed the faith. Do you honestly see lallana as a long term lfc player though?
The most impressive improvements for me have been Can and Origi, we knew what firmino could do. Lovren has also benefited from having more of a solid midfield infront of him.
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I think Milner was a better signing on a free than allen, if we're talking about spending smart. Milner has been crucial for our europa league campaign and has played his part in helping us finish where we have in the league, as has lallana, but milner slightly more so. Dalglish and his scouting signed coutinho - I believe he was actually recommended to the club by Benitez, do you have any proof he was Kenny's signing? From what I heard Downing was a Kenny signing as he wanted us to put more crosses into the box. .
Is allen sufficient backup, maybe, he has improved his game slightly since he first came onto the scene, he also put some good performances together under rodgers, he likes to press.
Yes lallana was mediorce under BR, he's benefitted from having more of a central berth, and he's repayed the faith. Do you honestly see lallana as a long term lfc player though? - Absolutely, not only do I see him as a future LFC player but as a very important cog in the LFC setup. Let's wait and see, but he has been outstanding, hence the reason he is going to the Euro's too.
The most impressive improvements for me have been Can and Origi, we knew what firmino could do. Lovren has also benefited from having more of a solid midfield infront of him. - What do you mean by a more solid midfield, i didn't understand you? The same players are in front of him as were previously, Can, Hendo, Milner, Lallana? I think it's more down to the managers instructions and style of play as well as him regaining confidence. Origi has been a massive pleasant surprise for me though.
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It's just a thought, but I think Hendo coming back into the team is the point in which I think lovren is able to become more of a first choice defender. Having either Can or hendo in front of him as a constant has contributed imo.
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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had.
Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. The bit I highlighted is the biggest problem for me. When you don't let the manager buy who HE wants to fit the way he plays it's always going to fail. These players just happen to be 'right' for Klopp at the moment but what if the committee buy players that aren't right for him? We'll be back to square one and won't build on a good start for Klopp. Give Klopp the money and let him spend it as he sees fit. It's the only way it'll work as a committee of people will never know exactly what the manager wants.
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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had.
Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. The bit I highlighted is the biggest problem for me. When you don't let the manager buy who HE wants to fit the way he plays it's always going to fail. These players just happen to be 'right' for Klopp at the moment but what if the committee buy players that aren't right for him? We'll be back to square one and won't build on a good start for Klopp. Give Klopp the money and let him spend it as he sees fit. It's the only way it'll work as a committee of people will never know exactly what the manager wants. exactly they are not with the players on the training pitch, or see it as klopp does
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We have regularly been spending big, Benteke costing the same as Costa for example. We need to spend smart now.
The above was said on another thread and I thought we should discuss it. Cannot emphasize it enough IMO. We need to spend smart, not big. Just look at some of the players that were insulted and discarded by fans either because their fee was too low or because they didn't work out under Rodgers but are seemingly different players under Klopp. Emre Can Joe Allen Alberto Moreno Adam Lallana Dejan Lovren Divock Origi Roberto Firmino I remember when can was signed people said great, but he isnt good enough, that isn't the calibre of player we should be going for. I remember people saying Roberto Firmino was one of the biggest flops of the transfer committee, just look at him now, assisting and scoring for fun. Divock origi was not only slated, but was unwanted, PRIOR to him even playing a game for us. Because he was rated very poorly in his previous season in France. Look at the boy now, playing his heart out for us and doing so very well. Lovren was lambasted by all, including myself, no one on here thought he was good enough. We got slated for buying players from Southampton but look at how crucial Lovren and Lallana have become for us. Lallana is an automatic starter under Klopp and has been playing fantastically. Just goes to show, the transfer committee didn't get it all wrong, they actually got a lot RIGHT, but the manager we had at the time was not the right one to maximize the potential these players had.
Milner is another example of a player who didn't cause much excitement on here, and who we said was a welcome adition but wasn't really what we needed, but just look at the impact he has had. OUTSTANDING contribution. Of course the TC got some wrong too, like Carroll, Downing, Balloteli etc but the question remains, how would they have performed under Klopp or a more shrewd manager? Also, overall the hit rate of the TC actually seems quite good so perhaps calling for their heads could have more of a negative effect than we thought at first. We all hated the transfer committee, including myself, thinking they couldn't do anything right. Perhaps it's time we stood back and just watched what these players really have to offer when managed properly and utilized in their natural positions. The bit I highlighted is the biggest problem for me. When you don't let the manager buy who HE wants to fit the way he plays it's always going to fail. These players just happen to be 'right' for Klopp at the moment but what if the committee buy players that aren't right for him? We'll be back to square one and won't build on a good start for Klopp. Give Klopp the money and let him spend it as he sees fit. It's the only way it'll work as a committee of people will never know exactly what the manager wants. I agree Wilks, but then we have to ask ourselves, was Rodgers part of the committee and did he have a say? He always claimed he had the final say, IF HE DIDN'T, then WHY did he quiet about it? I have no sympathy for him in that case. Klopp clearly stated he has the final say and that he wouldn't accept coming to Liverpool in any other case. If he doesn't approve the transfers, then they don't happen. If he doesn't want the the players, they dont come in. End of. If Rodgers was willing to accept whoever the committee chose without HIS input, then he is more to blame than the TC. The TC has clearly identified a few gems. A top manager adjusts the style of play to suit the players at his disposal. He does not play Markovic and Sterling as wingbacks. I always remember how Mourinho adjusted his stzle of play at Inter to suit Diego Milito and how he made Milito look like a world beater. A completely average Milito was transformed into a world class striker.
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