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Although i've seen an improvement with him he's still a long way off being considered as a solid defender. I'm not disrespecting your opinion, but what is sakho? we don't have a solid defender at the club? is clyne only player we should be content with lumba? if you are right though better hope matip helps either sakho or lovren improve otherwise we're in trouble, unless we sign a top class keeper Im not sure what you're getting at but I'm not happy with any of them back there.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Bit of a cliche but unless you build on the strength at the back you're always building on a foundation of quicksand.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Although i've seen an improvement with him he's still a long way off being considered as a solid defender. I'm not disrespecting your opinion, but what is sakho? we don't have a solid defender at the club? is clyne only player we should be content with lumba? if you are right though better hope matip helps either sakho or lovren improve otherwise we're in trouble, unless we sign a top class keeper Im not sure what you're getting at but I'm not happy with any of them back there. probably right it does seem we are incapable of keeping clean sheets consecutively what I'm getting at, well man utd only have 1 good centre back imo, with smalling.
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What are you on about? Where's your sense of humour? I just thought it was a fun remark from my side after we got, as you say yourself, "comprehensively beat" by a poor Swansea team.
Before the game I stated that we need TCP's in our team - we had one of those until Suarez left, and now we have none at the right level. A level that I choose to call Top Class.
Well, regarding the results this weekend: The upside is that we don't need to sign many players for next season - only a few TCP's.
If we don't win EL we won't be playing in Europa at all next season, which makes a big squad unnecessary. you need to call it world class, because I've already replied to this. what suarez did was world class. but I only believe you can reach world class with your team, suarez reached world class in his 3rd season (we know spangles thinks otherwise, he makes great points but that's another story). if a world class player like messi walked into arsenal he may only be as effective as sanchez. This is part of the problem I have, it would help if you named the TCP/world class player who would instantly lift all our team members to play better instantly. suarez? coutinho has scored more than he was when suarez was here. we built our attack around LS7 but our defence was just as bad then, if not worse. if suarez came back and he played with sturridge, then perhaps he is the TPC/WC player who could lift our players more, but liverpool would still struggle with the midfield and creating chances, as we are now for our strikers. this is why I believe it's more an addition of top quality players than a 'top' class player, because can/firmino/origi even these are players who can develop into top class players - in their own right.
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We have debated this to death long before you joined here mate.
I think it was Sixties who invented the concept of TCP.
Spangles (under his previous name Ford Focus) debated that the label World Class could only be assigned to a TCP playing in the right team, achieving big things like winning the World Cup, CL or PL.
I happen to think that TCP is a perfect way of describing a player good enough to walk into any club's starting XI.
As it stands now we have no TCP at LFC. We had Suarez and at an earlier stage Gerrard, Alonzo and maybe Mascherano.
Coutinho, who probably is our best player atm, has never been at that level. Too inconsistent and too ineffective with his repetitive out of bounds shooting.
Can, Firmino and Origi (along with Coutinho) might be the 4 players in our current squad who have the highest probability of getting to a level we can label "good enough" to take LFC to a level where we can start to challenge for the PL title and maybe even CL title.
What we need this summer is no more players in the hopefuls category. We need better ready made ones, who have achieved that level.
If we don't go out and sign 3-4 such players I fail to see how we could put together a team with the ability to consistently play and win games against top 4 teams in PL and in Europe.
As it is now we are struggling far too often - today even against Swansea, who we should beat easily - even with our second string unit on the pitch.
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alonzo ??? who is that ????
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Although i've seen an improvement with him he's still a long way off being considered as a solid defender. I'm not disrespecting your opinion, but what is sakho? we don't have a solid defender at the club? is clyne only player we should be content with lumba? if you are right though better hope matip helps either sakho or lovren improve otherwise we're in trouble, unless we sign a top class keeper so now clyne is world class?
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We have debated this to death long before you joined here mate.
I think it was Sixties who invented the concept of TCP.
Spangles (under his previous name Ford Focus) debated that the label World Class could only be assigned to a TCP playing in the right team, achieving big things like winning the World Cup, CL or PL.
I happen to think that TCP is a perfect way of describing a player good enough to walk into any club's starting XI.
As it stands now we have no TCP at LFC. We had Suarez and at an earlier stage Gerrard, Alonzo and maybe Mascherano.
Coutinho, who probably is our best player atm, has never been at that level. Too inconsistent and too ineffective with his repetitive out of bounds shooting.
Can, Firmino and Origi (along with Coutinho) might be the 4 players in our current squad who have the highest probability of getting to a level we can label "good enough" to take LFC to a level where we can start to challenge for the PL title and maybe even CL title.
What we need this summer is no more players in the hopefuls category. We need better ready made ones, who have achieved that level.
If we don't go out and sign 3-4 such players I fail to see how we could put together a team with the ability to consistently play and win games against top 4 teams in PL and in Europe.
As it is now we are struggling far too often - today even against Swansea, who we should beat easily - even with our second string unit on the pitch. fully agree with that, especially the 3-4 ready made players, or we'll struggle to play and win games consistently against top 4 teams in PL and in Europe.
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Although i've seen an improvement with him he's still a long way off being considered as a solid defender. I'm not disrespecting your opinion, but what is sakho? we don't have a solid defender at the club? is clyne only player we should be content with lumba? if you are right though better hope matip helps either sakho or lovren improve otherwise we're in trouble, unless we sign a top class keeper so now clyne is world class? what?
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Back to Back World Champions baby!
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