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There is a need to address the coverup by those terrible politicians you talk of red, and people being urged to remain silent will only ensure they continue to evade the justice that they need to be brought to. As the saying goes evil prevails when good men stay silent, and that is what they and their apologists want, but in a decent society should never be allowed to get.

Of course, and I agree that the whole thing stinks and has stunk to high heaven. Stan himself has said as much. There is need for redress. There is need for justice.

But by the same token, evil done with the intentions of doing justice is still evil done. The idea of doing wrong to those police that WERE doing their jobs because of blind rage (even justified rage) or to use this human tragedy as an attempt to leverage political capital would make me uncomfortable, as it has made Stan.

Do you understand what I mean? It is not an "either, or," but "yes, and." We must be both bold AND careful in our pursuit of justice. We must strive to attain justice for ourselves and those whose lives were so unjustly lost, and still remain just.

I think LFC fans who were there, had family, or friends, or are well read on Hillsborough know that when they say The Police! they are referring to the ones at the top who covered up the truth and made the good bobbies change their statements etc.
Maybe in the heat of the emotional moments people have lumped all of them together but im sure most know that some bobbies done everything they could to help save lives, sadly others were told to gets the dogs out instead and had to follow orders.
Most documentaries show ordinary Bobbies tried to save lives and are devastated by not being able to so I would give a little slack to those speaking out, obviously they have to be careful though.

Every time anyone targets those "terrible politicians" and senior executives who we're involved and responsible for the cover up, those same politicians, executives and their apologists will cry "political capital" that's part and parcel of their defence mechanism. It's how they try to silence their critics and accusers. Every right thinking person needs to raise their voices in an effort to bring them to justice, and it won't be easy.

one thing I will remember till the day I die and is one of the main images in my mind when I think of Hillsborough is a motorcycle kop who worked miracles on the pitch people are alive today probably because of him he stood near us towards the end very stressed he was a Yorkshireman probably about 40 them. Now probably a pensioner he is a hero yet to the bone heads who can't think beyond predudices and their politics he is scum. Why ? Because he is South Yorkshire police and when you are thick it's impossible to seperate the fact some police might have acted with courage that day. It makes me angry as you can see. I want those responsible prosecuted criminally I agree with the findings it reflected my view 27 years ago but nor do I live a fairy story like all Liverpool supporters that day were a cross between the pope and mother Theresa because I tell you they weren't nor were they in the final in 89 Athens 2007 and almost every major Liverpool game. To be fair it's the job of the police to anticipate and deal with it which they failed to do in 89 but that does not absolve those who behaved like that there is also a responsibility on the fans you can't behave like a moron and claim it's the polices responsibility. In the warrington hearings a year ago I heard a police officer say there was a charged atmosphere outside the leppings lane there was ! I remember it we were caught in it very frightening. That does not mean I am blaming the fans for Hillsborough far from it the verdict was right but not all were without blame that day I would like to think they would have a conscience but I know that's too much to ask the same people who chant "justice for the 96" while stood on the seats on the kop. As for Anderson he was politicising his speech all Tories were [oops] was the theme with local elections in the next two weeks how moral us that and when he talks about the establishment he is the establishment.

No one can or wants to blame the ordinary police man, it was those higher up who made the decisions and gave the orders, that's where the blame lies and it should be firmly laid there. The same goes for the coverup, it was those in charge at both executive and political level who again made the decisions and gave the orders. In any decent society that wants to be a decent society they have to be outed and charged accordingly. People whether they're politicians or not as loudly, often and clearly as required to ensure that this happens. Claiming that such people regardless of their political persuasion are playing politics is not constructive nor is it conducive to justice being served.

I agree but Unfortunetly they are blaming all the police if they qualified the statements as you have done fair play but that's not what's happening