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Hulk from Toon Talk speaks ey? Luv it!  So we have Koptalk for us and Toon talk for Newcastle ... What's the Arsenal version then I wonder 
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Hulk from Toon Talk speaks ey? Luv it! So we have Koptalk for us and Toon talk for Newcastle ... What's the Arsenal version then I wonder I can think of someone who would suit that website a treat!
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Thank you Benitez for allowing Leicester to continue their march to the title. I wish you the well for the remainder of the season and I hope you stay ul so we can see you again next season.
Back to Back World Champions baby!
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I don't think Benitez intended to help leicester snakeye, but he's confident, I'm confident, the newcastle fans are confident. They should stay up with a bit more luck which they didn't get last night
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Sure, in his first season we exceeded expectations and then what? After spending over 220m he failed to win a trophy for 5 years. And in the context of this conversation "when needed" is another way of saying how he managed to capitulate towards the remaining years of his LFC career. I'm not saying he's a bad manager, he is in fact very good, but not the one some fans make him out to be.
It sounds like a lot when you say 220 million. Now split that between 6 seasons and you have just over 35 mil per season. Not such a large amount now is it? Rodgers spent the same amount in 3 seasons. Rafa in 6 seasons - Champions League - 1 FA Cup - 1 Charity Shield - 1 Super Cup - 1 ---- Champions League SF's - 3 Times Champions League QF's - 5 times League Cup Runners Up - 1 Top 4 - 4 out of 6 seasons Iconic Transfers - Xabi Alonso Luis Garcia Pepe Reina Momo Sissoko Fabio Aurelio Robbie Fowler Peter Crouch Daniel Agger Craig Bellamy Dirk Kuyt Alvaro Abeloa Fernando Torres Ryan Babel Lucas Martin Skrtel Javier Mascherano Albert Riera Glen Johnson Maxi Rodriguez Young Players who have had good careers with big clubs - Hobbs - Paletta - El Zhar - Carson - San Jose - Ayala - Mihaylov - Kacaniklic - Kasami - Gary Mackay-Steven - Spearing - Insua - Kelly - Wisdom - Gulacsi - Silva - Shelvey - Wilson
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Sure, in his first season we exceeded expectations and then what? After spending over 220m he failed to win a trophy for 5 years. And in the context of this conversation "when needed" is another way of saying how he managed to capitulate towards the remaining years of his LFC career. I'm not saying he's a bad manager, he is in fact very good, but not the one some fans make him out to be.
It sounds like a lot when you say 220 million. Now split that between 6 seasons and you have just over 35 mil per season. Not such a large amount now is it? Rodgers spent the same amount in 3 seasons. Rafa in 6 seasons - Champions League - 1 FA Cup - 1 Charity Shield - 1 Super Cup - 1 ---- Champions League SF's - 3 Times Champions League QF's - 5 times League Cup Runners Up - 1 Top 4 - 4 out of 6 seasons Iconic Transfers - Xabi Alonso Luis Garcia Pepe Reina Momo Sissoko Fabio Aurelio Robbie Fowler Peter Crouch Daniel Agger Craig Bellamy Dirk Kuyt Alvaro Abeloa Fernando Torres Ryan Babel Lucas Martin Skrtel Javier Mascherano Albert Riera Glen Johnson Maxi Rodriguez Young Players who have had good careers with big clubs - Hobbs - Paletta - El Zhar - Carson - San Jose - Ayala - Mihaylov - Kacaniklic - Kasami - Gary Mackay-Steven - Spearing - Insua - Kelly - Wisdom - Gulacsi - Silva - Shelvey - Wilson Also Champions League runner up in 2007
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Sure, in his first season we exceeded expectations and then what? After spending over 220m he failed to win a trophy for 5 years. And in the context of this conversation "when needed" is another way of saying how he managed to capitulate towards the remaining years of his LFC career. I'm not saying he's a bad manager, he is in fact very good, but not the one some fans make him out to be.
It sounds like a lot when you say 220 million. Now split that between 6 seasons and you have just over 35 mil per season. Not such a large amount now is it? Rodgers spent the same amount in 3 seasons. Rafa in 6 seasons - Champions League - 1 FA Cup - 1 Charity Shield - 1 Super Cup - 1 ---- Champions League SF's - 3 Times Champions League QF's - 5 times League Cup Runners Up - 1 Top 4 - 4 out of 6 seasons Iconic Transfers - Xabi Alonso Luis Garcia Pepe Reina Momo Sissoko Fabio Aurelio Robbie Fowler Peter Crouch Daniel Agger Craig Bellamy Dirk Kuyt Alvaro Abeloa Fernando Torres Ryan Babel Lucas Martin Skrtel Javier Mascherano Albert Riera Glen Johnson Maxi Rodriguez Young Players who have had good careers with big clubs - Hobbs - Paletta - El Zhar - Carson - San Jose - Ayala - Mihaylov - Kacaniklic - Kasami - Gary Mackay-Steven - Spearing - Insua - Kelly - Wisdom - Gulacsi - Silva - Shelvey - Wilson All those young players you have listed are either rejects or back up players that weren't good enough for Liverpool and nearly all of them have never played for a big club since. Riera iconic? Comparing Brendan to Rafa on transfers fees isn't reflective. Rafa was allowed to sign experienced proven internationals from a selection of the strongest nations. Under FSG a lot of the players are bought when they are still in their U21 squads or just starting their senior career. If other managers had the luxury of buying proven internationals and then paying them the big wages that go with it, Kenny and Brendan would have had better players to begin with and done much better.
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All those young players you have listed are either rejects or back up players that weren't good enough for Liverpool and nearly all of them have never played for a big club since.
Riera iconic?
Comparing Brendan to Rafa on transfers fees isn't reflective.
Rafa was allowed to sign experienced proven internationals from a selection of the strongest nations.
Under FSG a lot of the players are bought when they are still in their U21 squads or just starting their senior career. If other managers had the luxury of buying proven internationals and then paying them the big wages that go with it, Kenny and Brendan would have had better players to begin with and done much better.
1. I can't be bothered to go through all the young players I named, but go and do some actual research and you will soon realise that all those players have gone on to have very good careers and big clubs. 2. Yes I would class Riera as a solid transfer. 3. Of course it's reflective when people are slating Rafa's transfer spend. Brendan spent around the same amount of money in half the time and has nothing to show for it. It makes Rafa's legacy seem even more impressive. 4/5. Rafa was restricted to a very tight budget and had to make tough calls on some players. Rodgers and Kenny weren't restricted on money, an Under 21 policy or you're trying to save face comment of "just starting their senior career", that is pure [oops] - Borini - 21 Allen - 22 Assaidi - 24 Sturridge - 23 Coutinho - 20 Luis Alberto - 21 Aspas - 26 Mignolet - 25 Toure - 32 Ilori - 20 Sakho - 23 Lambert - 32 Lallana - 26 Can - 20 Markovic - 20 Lovren - 25 Origi - 19 Moreno - 22 Balotelli - 24 Clyne - 24 Firmino - 23 Bogdan - 27 Ings - 23 Milner - 29 Gomez - 18 I bet if we went through all of Rafa's transfers, they would have similar results in regards to ages. Xabi Alonso for example was around 22, Daniel Agger was 21 etc....
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All those young players you have listed are either rejects or back up players that weren't good enough for Liverpool and nearly all of them have never played for a big club since.
Riera iconic?
Comparing Brendan to Rafa on transfers fees isn't reflective.
Rafa was allowed to sign experienced proven internationals from a selection of the strongest nations.
Under FSG a lot of the players are bought when they are still in their U21 squads or just starting their senior career. If other managers had the luxury of buying proven internationals and then paying them the big wages that go with it, Kenny and Brendan would have had better players to begin with and done much better.
1. I can't be bothered to go through all the young players I named, but go and do some actual research and you will soon realise that all those players have gone on to have very good careers and big clubs. 2. Yes I would class Riera as a solid transfer. 3. Of course it's reflective when people are slating Rafa's transfer spend. Brendan spent around the same amount of money in half the time and has nothing to show for it. It makes Rafa's legacy seem even more impressive. 4/5. Rafa was restricted to a very tight budget and had to make tough calls on some players. Rodgers and Kenny weren't restricted on money, an Under 21 policy or you're trying to save face comment of "just starting their senior career", that is pure [oops] - Borini - 21 Allen - 22 Assaidi - 24 Sturridge - 23 Coutinho - 20 Luis Alberto - 21 Aspas - 26 Mignolet - 25 Toure - 32 Ilori - 20 Sakho - 23 Lambert - 32 Lallana - 26 Can - 20 Markovic - 20 Lovren - 25 Origi - 19 Moreno - 22 Balotelli - 24 Clyne - 24 Firmino - 23 Bogdan - 27 Ings - 23 Milner - 29 Gomez - 18 I bet if we went through all of Rafa's transfers, they would have similar results in regards to ages. Xabi Alonso for example was around 22, Daniel Agger was 21 etc.... Two good posts there Spice, you've been hiding your light under a bush methinks!
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All those young players you have listed are either rejects or back up players that weren't good enough for Liverpool and nearly all of them have never played for a big club since.
Riera iconic?
Comparing Brendan to Rafa on transfers fees isn't reflective.
Rafa was allowed to sign experienced proven internationals from a selection of the strongest nations.
Under FSG a lot of the players are bought when they are still in their U21 squads or just starting their senior career. If other managers had the luxury of buying proven internationals and then paying them the big wages that go with it, Kenny and Brendan would have had better players to begin with and done much better.
1. I can't be bothered to go through all the young players I named, but go and do some actual research and you will soon realise that all those players have gone on to have very good careers and big clubs. 2. Yes I would class Riera as a solid transfer. 3. Of course it's reflective when people are slating Rafa's transfer spend. Brendan spent around the same amount of money in half the time and has nothing to show for it. It makes Rafa's legacy seem even more impressive. 4/5. Rafa was restricted to a very tight budget and had to make tough calls on some players. Rodgers and Kenny weren't restricted on money, an Under 21 policy or you're trying to save face comment of "just starting their senior career", that is pure [oops] - Borini - 21 Allen - 22 Assaidi - 24 Sturridge - 23 Coutinho - 20 Luis Alberto - 21 Aspas - 26 Mignolet - 25 Toure - 32 Ilori - 20 Sakho - 23 Lambert - 32 Lallana - 26 Can - 20 Markovic - 20 Lovren - 25 Origi - 19 Moreno - 22 Balotelli - 24 Clyne - 24 Firmino - 23 Bogdan - 27 Ings - 23 Milner - 29 Gomez - 18 I bet if we went through all of Rafa's transfers, they would have similar results in regards to ages. Xabi Alonso for example was around 22, Daniel Agger was 21 etc.... Two good posts there Spice, you've been hiding your light under a bush methinks! 1. Not many of them are good enough to be Premier League regulars. Yes they might be having good careers but relative to Liverpool most of the clubs these players have played for are small. 2. Solid is different from iconic, but even then I think they're will be a split opinion of Riera from fans. 3. Transfer fees have inflated quite a lot between Rafa's and Brendan's time. You're not factoring in the big wage bill Rafa had either. 4. Rafa was on a budget like most managers are but he had a much bigger pool of player to pick from and he also had much greater control over transfers. Rafa did a decent job and overachieved massively to get to two Champions League finals. But we had the best team in the league in my opinion in the 08/09 season and he failed to win the title.
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