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I can see where your coming however I have been brought up to look after your own first and foremost and that's what people from Liverpool do, this was no more evident throughout Hysel and Hillsborough where the city had to close ranks and stick together...

You're not the only one. It's partly natural and part conditioning that we've all experienced. Our natural loyalties are to our immediate families and then we've also been conditioned, as you say, to look after 'our own' where 'our own' are defined by tribal identities, e.g nationality.

But as we evolve hopefully we educate ourselves and become more cultured. This includes broadening our perspective whereby we consider the whole world to be 'our own'. That includes people across artificial boundaries... people of all races, genders, nationalities etc. We should also be thinking about our environment and other species that inhabit it. We are all part of the same ecosystem.

Of course in times of crisis the first people one turns to are those that are nearest, either emotionally or physically. Hence during Hysel and Hillsborough you would notice the support of those people most. But support and sympathy came from across the country and from other parts of the world too I believe.

yes you make some very good points, think age plays a part in that too, I think the younger generation adapt to those types of reasons you have just said however the older ones have a philosophy of I stick with what I know and what works best for me. I was brought up in Liverpool to always having the rest of the country against us and that doesn't include the tragedies we were involved in so I will always be more patriotic and have an element of mistrust for outsiders, only a small element I must add...

You're not the only one. It's partly natural and part conditioning that we've all experienced. Our natural loyalties are to our immediate families and then we've also been conditioned, as you say, to look after 'our own' where 'our own' are defined by tribal identities, e.g nationality.

But as we evolve hopefully we educate ourselves and become more cultured. This includes broadening our perspective whereby we consider the whole world to be 'our own'. That includes people across artificial boundaries... people of all races, genders, nationalities etc. We should also be thinking about our environment and other species that inhabit it. We are all part of the same ecosystem.

Of course in times of crisis the first people one turns to are those that are nearest, either emotionally or physically. Hence during Hysel and Hillsborough you would notice the support of those people most. But support and sympathy came from across the country and from other parts of the world too I believe.

Understandable. I guess some changes take time to take effect... over generations.

But hopefully we all have a better understanding of each other. i.e., why it is that you would want Everton to win the cup; why others here don't share that feeling and would want a different team to win it (except you know who of course ;)).

At the end of the day, there is no wrong or right. Just opinion.

why so much 'hatred'? When you're from the city you have friends and family who are on the opposite side. Brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, grandparents, neighbours, mates you grew up with etc. All people who have been with you in good times and bad. Why would you begrudge them some happiness when your own team is no longer in the competition?

I don't have any hatred to Everton supporters except for one who pretends he supports LFC here.

That's a bit unfair don't you think? There are many factors which feed in to how a person supports or follows the team and what direction he or she may want the club to go in. Just because we don't share the same opinion doesn't mean that some of us are pretenders.

That's a bit unfair don't you think? There are many factors which feed in to how a person supports or follows the team and what direction he or she may want the club to go in. Just because we don't share the same opinion doesn't mean that some of us are pretenders.

Which opinions if I may ask? That SG was never a world class player, Suarez became world class only when he left LFC, LFC is now a mid table team and should stay there as it is useless to target higher (like Arsenal building their stadium), we can beat City because of the windy weather or they didn't turn up, OOT are less supporters, people not buying tickets are parasites feeding off the club, Everton is a better club as they treat their supporters better. For me a true supporter cannot have so many negative opinions, don't know about you.