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The answer probably lies somewhere in the middle. Rafa did a great job in many respects but he also made quite a few mistakes. However, who doesn't make mistakes? Should we be so bitter against him? We're not even so bitter against Rodgers and Hodgson yet they didn't didn't do anywhere near as much for us as Rafa did.
On balance, he's seems a good bloke and acted in the best interests of LFC to the best of his abilities. I suggest we should therefore forgive and forget his shortcomings and be grateful for all the positive things he did for us. He'll forever be a welcome addition to the LFC family - a legend in his own lifetime. well surely that philosophy must go across the board for people who have done more good for the club than bad...Michael Owen springs to mind... Michael Owen was the reason I started supporting this club, is that good enough for you? Back then I had no idea how many trophies Liverpool had won or how famous this club was.
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My predictions. Newcastle's form improves only slightly and maybe win a game or two, but still finish last by a country mile and are relegated. Rafa stays on, but their form is still only average and Newcastle are wandering mid-table in the championship.
Then Rafa departs.
bet ten quid this is what happens. any takers?
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The answer probably lies somewhere in the middle. Rafa did a great job in many respects but he also made quite a few mistakes. However, who doesn't make mistakes? Should we be so bitter against him? We're not even so bitter against Rodgers and Hodgson yet they didn't didn't do anywhere near as much for us as Rafa did.
On balance, he's seems a good bloke and acted in the best interests of LFC to the best of his abilities. I suggest we should therefore forgive and forget his shortcomings and be grateful for all the positive things he did for us. He'll forever be a welcome addition to the LFC family - a legend in his own lifetime. well surely that philosophy must go across the board for people who have done more good for the club than bad...Michael Owen springs to mind... Michael Owen was the reason I started supporting this club, is that good enough for you? Back then I had no idea how many trophies Liverpool had won or how famous this club was. wowww you started supporting the Club because of a player, that's a powerful statement to make because of a single player. I thought Owen was a better player when he was younger myself, he didn't seem to be as interested towards the end and was more interested in playing for the three lions...
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Benitez is a wonderful manager, but not the one some fans make him out to be. He has had success early into his career but then : didn't win a trophy after winning the FA cup, sank Inter Milan and had a moderate tenure with Napoli.
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My predictions. Newcastle's form improves only slightly and maybe win a game or two, but still finish last by a country mile and are relegated. Rafa stays on, but their form is still only average and Newcastle are wandering mid-table in the championship.
Then Rafa departs.
bet ten quid this is what happens. any takers? Well for a start, Rafa has a get out clause in his contract at the end of the season if they are relegated, so he won't have them mid-table in the Championship. My prediction is they finish around 16th and avoid relegation this season. Rafa will have a clear out and bring in quite a few players. Can see him going for Skrtel and/or Lucas.
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It's a no lose situation for Rafa because no matter how bad he does just about everyone will (rightfully) point the finger at Mike Ashley and Benitez will be portrayed as the victim.
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Benitez is a wonderful manager, but not the one some fans make him out to be. He has had success early into his career but then : didn't win a trophy after winning the FA cup, sank Inter Milan and had a moderate tenure with Napoli. It's easy to look at his trophies won and say he hasn't achieved much in the last decade, but that isn't looking at the full picture. 04/05 - Champions League Winners, League Cup Runners-Up 05/06 - 3rd in League (82 points highest points total in our Premier League history at that time) Super Cup Winners, FA Cup Winners 06/07 - 3rd in League, Champions League Runners-Up, Community Shield Winners 07/08 - 4th in League, Champions League Semi-Finalists 08/09 - 2nd in League (86 points, most in our PL history, would normally be enough to win the league) Champions League Quarter Finalists. 09/10 7th in League, Europa League Semi-Finalists. ----- 10/11 - 5th in League (when sacked), Supercoppa Italiana Winners, Club World Cup Winners, qualified for KO's in Champions League. ----- 12/13 - 3rd in League, Europa League Winners, League Cup Semi-Finals, FA Cup Semi Finals, Won only Champions League game in charge of - 6-1. ----- 13/14 - 3rd in League, Copa Italia Winners 14/15 - 5th in League, Supercoppa Italiana Winners, Coppa Italia Semi-Finals (narrowly missed out on final, Europa League Semi-Finals (furthest they've been in many years, narrowly missed out on Final) --- 15-16 - 3rd in League (4points behind 1st), Won only Copa Del Rey game (before being disqualified), Didn't lose any of their Champions League group games, comfortably qualified to knockout rounds. Valencia God. Liverpool Legend. Napoli Legend (most successful manager in recent years), Sarri isn't fairing much better and it's Rafa's players who are excelling. Managed to win Chelsea fans around. Sacked way too early at Real Madrid, should have been allowed the rest of the season and will have most likely won them another Champions League trophy, unfortunate to be disqualified from their league cup. Inter is always classed as a [oops] job, but he warned the hierarchy that they needed money spent on the team and the team was in free-fall, he was right and wasn't allowed time to complete the job.
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Benitez is a wonderful manager, but not the one some fans make him out to be. He has had success early into his career but then : didn't win a trophy after winning the FA cup, sank Inter Milan and had a moderate tenure with Napoli. It's easy to look at his trophies won and say he hasn't achieved much in the last decade, but that isn't looking at the full picture. 04/05 - Champions League Winners, League Cup Runners-Up 05/06 - 3rd in League (82 points highest points total in our Premier League history at that time) Super Cup Winners, FA Cup Winners 06/07 - 3rd in League, Champions League Runners-Up, Community Shield Winners 07/08 - 4th in League, Champions League Semi-Finalists 08/09 - 2nd in League (86 points, most in our PL history, would normally be enough to win the league) Champions League Quarter Finalists. 09/10 7th in League, Europa League Semi-Finalists. ----- 10/11 - 5th in League (when sacked), Supercoppa Italiana Winners, Club World Cup Winners, qualified for KO's in Champions League. ----- 12/13 - 3rd in League, Europa League Winners, League Cup Semi-Finals, FA Cup Semi Finals, Won only Champions League game in charge of - 6-1. ----- 13/14 - 3rd in League, Copa Italia Winners 14/15 - 5th in League, Supercoppa Italiana Winners, Coppa Italia Semi-Finals (narrowly missed out on final, Europa League Semi-Finals (furthest they've been in many years, narrowly missed out on Final) --- 15-16 - 3rd in League (4points behind 1st), Won only Copa Del Rey game (before being disqualified), Didn't lose any of their Champions League group games, comfortably qualified to knockout rounds. Valencia God. Liverpool Legend. Napoli Legend (most successful manager in recent years), Sarri isn't fairing much better and it's Rafa's players who are excelling. Managed to win Chelsea fans around. Sacked way too early at Real Madrid, should have been allowed the rest of the season and will have most likely won them another Champions League trophy, unfortunate to be disqualified from their league cup. Inter is always classed as a [oops] job, but he warned the hierarchy that they needed money spent on the team and the team was in free-fall, he was right and wasn't allowed time to complete the job. He took a CL qualified Napoli to get them out of the top 3 and as he left, Napoli is 2nd again. Similar at Inter. He is an ok manager but not as great as some think, at least not anymore. A great manager would have had at least a full season at Real, don't you think?
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Benitez is a wonderful manager, but not the one some fans make him out to be. He has had success early into his career but then : didn't win a trophy after winning the FA cup, sank Inter Milan and had a moderate tenure with Napoli. It's easy to look at his trophies won and say he hasn't achieved much in the last decade, but that isn't looking at the full picture. 04/05 - Champions League Winners, League Cup Runners-Up 05/06 - 3rd in League (82 points highest points total in our Premier League history at that time) Super Cup Winners, FA Cup Winners 06/07 - 3rd in League, Champions League Runners-Up, Community Shield Winners 07/08 - 4th in League, Champions League Semi-Finalists 08/09 - 2nd in League (86 points, most in our PL history, would normally be enough to win the league) Champions League Quarter Finalists. 09/10 7th in League, Europa League Semi-Finalists. ----- 10/11 - 5th in League (when sacked), Supercoppa Italiana Winners, Club World Cup Winners, qualified for KO's in Champions League. ----- 12/13 - 3rd in League, Europa League Winners, League Cup Semi-Finals, FA Cup Semi Finals, Won only Champions League game in charge of - 6-1. ----- 13/14 - 3rd in League, Copa Italia Winners 14/15 - 5th in League, Supercoppa Italiana Winners, Coppa Italia Semi-Finals (narrowly missed out on final, Europa League Semi-Finals (furthest they've been in many years, narrowly missed out on Final) --- 15-16 - 3rd in League (4points behind 1st), Won only Copa Del Rey game (before being disqualified), Didn't lose any of their Champions League group games, comfortably qualified to knockout rounds. Valencia God. Liverpool Legend. Napoli Legend (most successful manager in recent years), Sarri isn't fairing much better and it's Rafa's players who are excelling. Managed to win Chelsea fans around. Sacked way too early at Real Madrid, should have been allowed the rest of the season and will have most likely won them another Champions League trophy, unfortunate to be disqualified from their league cup. Inter is always classed as a [oops] job, but he warned the hierarchy that they needed money spent on the team and the team was in free-fall, he was right and wasn't allowed time to complete the job. Rafa is a nearly man. Won a few trophies, but then always fell short when needed. He will never be mentioned amongst the greats. He's not a legend.
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Rafa is a nearly man. Won a few trophies, but then always fell short when needed. He will never be mentioned amongst the greats. He's not a legend. Some truth, some nonsense if I may say so. Yes, we did fall at the last hurdle a few times - so nearly man is somewhat true. But we also exceeded expectations under Rafa so it's untrue to say that he always fell short. Not sure what you mean by 'when needed'. When is the manager not needed? meaningless phrase i think. And he most certainly is a legend in many, I reckon most LFC supporters hearts and minds. Perhaps not the greatest, but certainly a legend.
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