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This has to be the beginning of the end for them now. It's the straw that broke the camels back as far as I'm concerned. Game over
The committee, the strategy, the neglect, the lack of intent and the poor off the field decisions
They are truly on a completely different planet to the fans and I think the time has come for them
They choose business over winning
And for that reason, I choose to give someone else a go yes but you cant hammer them for choosing the business over winning because nearly all the fans on here did the same when they put getting into the top four ahead of winning trophies, it makes me laugh that they adopt the same money is king policy as FSG and then cry and moan when FSG adopt the same strategy in a different area, you either buy into the policy or you don't, u don't just pick and choose when it suits then hammer them for it... Top four is not about putting business before winning, it's about being amongst the leagues elite and challenging in the most prestigious competitions in Europe, where we belong. The club has been built on many memorable European nights, it's been ingrained into everything that's made LFC great over the years. Top four is f all to do with business for me. It's merely a stepping stone to the future, to unlock the ability to sign europe's top talent. Something the club failed miserably to capitalise on due to their incompetence. We should have been looking at players like Reus, or at the very least, players closer to that reputation. Instead we ended up with lambert, balotelli, lallana and lovren. They, and their transfer committee / strategy is turning this club into a laughing stock, we're slowly becoming the next Newcastle the top four is all about chasing the money, nothin more nothin less, it sickens me when fans say it's more important than winning cups, fourth place no matter if people see it as a stepping stone or not will never and should never be viewed as success or a triumph like people on here do... You can't just part buy into FSG strategy of top four, there chasing the money and are not interested in winning the league or champions league as they would have to put more money in, there happy just to appear in it and get bounced out group stages as that's enough of a profit for them, let's be honest here they are probably happy with the new turnover of corporate, new tier and new pricing to even really be bothered about getting in the top four.
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even if nothing at all happens after this saga but we atleast get a proper CEO inplace of Ayre ,I say its a win for the club...
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No it's not going to change anything at all in my opinion. Wether it's Ian ayre or some shiny ar5e, it doesn't make any difference. Whoever is employed as CEO is purely just a mouth piece for FSG. They are and always will be merely a puppet on their hand. So what difference is it going to make?
We'll still drag our heels in transfer negotiations and spout the same fluff in the press because they will be operating however FSG seem fit....
Which no matter who is in charge, they will always be incompetent because that's what FSG are. It might have won them a fluke championship in baseball, but it doesn't work in football.
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This has to be the beginning of the end for them now. It's the straw that broke the camels back as far as I'm concerned. Game over
The committee, the strategy, the neglect, the lack of intent and the poor off the field decisions
They are truly on a completely different planet to the fans and I think the time has come for them
They choose business over winning
And for that reason, I choose to give someone else a go yes but you cant hammer them for choosing the business over winning because nearly all the fans on here did the same when they put getting into the top four ahead of winning trophies, it makes me laugh that they adopt the same money is king policy as FSG and then cry and moan when FSG adopt the same strategy in a different area, you either buy into the policy or you don't, u don't just pick and choose when it suits then hammer them for it... Top four is not about putting business before winning, it's about being amongst the leagues elite and challenging in the most prestigious competitions in Europe, where we belong. The club has been built on many memorable European nights, it's been ingrained into everything that's made LFC great over the years. Top four is f all to do with business for me. It's merely a stepping stone to the future, to unlock the ability to sign europe's top talent. Something the club failed miserably to capitalise on due to their incompetence. We should have been looking at players like Reus, or at the very least, players closer to that reputation. Instead we ended up with lambert, balotelli, lallana and lovren. They, and their transfer committee / strategy is turning this club into a laughing stock, we're slowly becoming the next Newcastle the top four is all about chasing the money, nothin more nothin less, it sickens me when fans say it's more important than winning cups, fourth place no matter if people see it as a stepping stone or not will never and should never be viewed as success or a triumph like people on here do... You can't just part buy into FSG strategy of top four, there chasing the money and are not interested in winning the league or champions league as they would have to put more money in, there happy just to appear in it and get bounced out group stages as that's enough of a profit for them, let's be honest here they are probably happy with the new turnover of corporate, new tier and new pricing to even really be bothered about getting in the top four. No it isn't, the money generated is a massive bonus, but the fans aren't choosing it because they are hungry for the cash. I think you're missing the point. The squad during FSG's reign has massively lacked quality, even during the year we finished 2nd (I think the best option we had from the bench that year was an on loan victor Moses - says it all really). The fans are hungry for champions league football because that's where the best players in the world want to play their football, and that's what the fans want to see in the first team. Quality players. We've envied the likes of Chelsea, City and the like for their transfer dealings and our fans want a piece of that pie. We've even lost out to he likes of Spurs in recent times too and the likes of West Ham and Stoke are doing better business than we are because their managers have the freedom to sign who they want. The champions league is a stepping stone towards more trophies Top 4 = Better players = better chance of winning = more trophies and the chance to finally grab that league title that has eluded us for so many years You're admitting that the owners are purely interested in money alone. Does that not get the alarm bells ringing already? It doesn't matter how much money these owners make, LFC will never improve unless they change their strategy. Hopefully klopp can be the catalyst for that but I don't think he will stick around for too long if he doesn't get his way, he doesn't seem like a "yes man" to me. LFC is a family club with certain values and traditions... The Liverpool way. There's no love from these owners at all and they don't even seem interested. I know this is the way the modern game is going but we need a balance between passion / ambition and finance / business. They are alienating us, the owners and the fans couldn't be further worlds apart than they currently are They have single handed undone the work by klopp in reigniting us. It's unforgivable it really is. In my opinion we need to question the owners more than the fans. We may have differencing opinions but on a Saturday afternoon we are one and the same. We all want what's best for the club. What you really need to ask yourself is, do the owners want the same?
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yes you make some good points however when people start putting top four of trophy success and glory something is seriously wrong, even if we played the odd season in the champions league we would never win it, we would just appear in the group stages like Celtic or Olympiakos do. I think what you are talking about is playing in it every season in order to spend more money on better players and attract more quality however to do that like I say you would need to play in it like Arsenal or United have since it began and we are never going to do that, we might get in once every 6 years when one of United, Arsenal, Chelsea or City have a poor season like Chelsea have this season. We would be like maybe Leicester if they get in this season so let's see if they sign Players like Levezzi or Reuse.
Just one more thing we stopped being a family club back in the 90s when the club went global, saying we are a family club is like saying United are too, we are both blue chip, multi millionaire hungry for money companies, nothing family about us now.
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even if we played the odd season in the champions league we would never win it, we would just appear in the group stages like Celtic or Olympiakos do. I don't think anyone gave us a chance in hell of winning the Champions League in 2005 but we did. You have to be in a competition to win it.
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even if we played the odd season in the champions league we would never win it, we would just appear in the group stages like Celtic or Olympiakos do. I don't think anyone gave us a chance in hell of winning the Champions League in 2005 but we did. You have to be in a competition to win it. yes your rite but don't you think it's more and more of a miracle every season it goes by, we were the worst team in the history of the competition to win it apart from maybe Steau Buccarest back in 86 and to win it again would be the equivalent of an Irish or Norway team winning it now...
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yes your rite but don't you think it's more and more of a miracle every season it goes by, we were the worst team in the history of the competition to win it apart from maybe Steau Buccarest back in 86 and to win it again would be the equivalent of an Irish or Norway team winning it now... Got to be in it to win it as they say.
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yes you make some good points however when people start putting top four of trophy success and glory something is seriously wrong, even if we played the odd season in the champions league we would never win it, we would just appear in the group stages like Celtic or Olympiakos do. I think what you are talking about is playing in it every season in order to spend more money on better players and attract more quality however to do that like I say you would need to play in it like Arsenal or United have since it began and we are never going to do that, we might get in once every 6 years when one of United, Arsenal, Chelsea or City have a poor season like Chelsea have this season. We would be like maybe Leicester if they get in this season so let's see if they sign Players like Levezzi or Reuse.
Just one more thing we stopped being a family club back in the 90s when the club went global, saying we are a family club is like saying United are too, we are both blue chip, multi millionaire hungry for money companies, nothing family about us now. I disagree, there were certainly elements of the clubs traditions during Rafa's reign. I think he really managed to tap into the values the club was built on. The 12th man was well and truly on his side back then. As for champions league, look at City. It wasn't until they made it into the CL they signed a aguero and the like. It's quite simple really, you make the champions league, you sign better players, you're a lot more competitive on all fronts and you can hold a much better squad in terms of depth. You don't even have to be in there for back to back seasons, the premier league is high profile enough to attract top players. Top four, with a history such as ours and a manager with a huge reputation like Jurgen's klopp we'd be more than capable of signing top players. Since 1990 only 3 sides outside of the top 4 have lifted the FA cup. So what does that tell you? get with the program, you really need to see the bigger picture. It's not down to a lack of ambition, it really is a catalyst towards success for blatantly obvious reasons. It's the strategy that's holding the club back. What young players have we signed since FSG arrived and turned into superstars? It doesn't work. Rodgers was held back, he had to settle for 1 out of 5 players that were nominated to him despite none of them being his first choice. Our managers don't have the freedom to spend what they want and how they want it. That's an awful way to operate and the more people begin to realise it the better. We've blown so much money on pure potential, we're actually recouping less than half of what we payed for these players, so even their own money ball tactic is 100% flawed... Because it quite simply doesn't bring in any money. Torres and sterling do not count because they were assets that already belonged to us before FSG arrived. We missed the boat after making top 4. Sold Suarez and got balotelli, signed lallana, Moreno, lovren, markovic. All poor signings imo with the only exception being Moreno who is mediocre at best. There is something seriously wrong if that's the best you can do after making the top 4. You can choose to deflect the blame by questioning your fellow fans, but take a good look at the facts and tell me that FSG are the best thing since sliced bread. Top 4 is key to any successful premier league team these days and that is relevant to all competitions not just the champions league.
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yes you make some good points however when people start putting top four of trophy success and glory something is seriously wrong, even if we played the odd season in the champions league we would never win it, we would just appear in the group stages like Celtic or Olympiakos do. I think what you are talking about is playing in it every season in order to spend more money on better players and attract more quality however to do that like I say you would need to play in it like Arsenal or United have since it began and we are never going to do that, we might get in once every 6 years when one of United, Arsenal, Chelsea or City have a poor season like Chelsea have this season. We would be like maybe Leicester if they get in this season so let's see if they sign Players like Levezzi or Reuse.
Just one more thing we stopped being a family club back in the 90s when the club went global, saying we are a family club is like saying United are too, we are both blue chip, multi millionaire hungry for money companies, nothing family about us now. I disagree, there were certainly elements of the clubs traditions during Rafa's reign. I think he really managed to tap into the values the club was built on. The 12th man was well and truly on his side back then. As for champions league, look at City. It wasn't until they made it into the CL they signed a aguero and the like. It's quite simple really, you make the champions league, you sign better players, you're a lot more competitive on all fronts and you can hold a much better squad in terms of depth. You don't even have to be in there for back to back seasons, the premier league is high profile enough to attract top players. Top four, with a history such as ours and a manager with a huge reputation like Jurgen's klopp we'd be more than capable of signing top players. Since 1990 only 3 sides outside of the top 4 have lifted the FA cup. So what does that tell you? get with the program, you really need to see the bigger picture. It's not down to a lack of ambition, it really is a catalyst towards success for blatantly obvious reasons. It's the strategy that's holding the club back. What young players have we signed since FSG arrived and turned into superstars? It doesn't work. Rodgers was held back, he had to settle for 1 out of 5 players that were nominated to him despite none of them being his first choice. Our managers don't have the freedom to spend what they want and how they want it. That's an awful way to operate and the more people begin to realise it the better. We've blown so much money on pure potential, we're actually recouping less than half of what we payed for these players, so even their own money ball tactic is 100% flawed... Because it quite simply doesn't bring in any money. Torres and sterling do not count because they were assets that already belonged to us before FSG arrived. We missed the boat after making top 4. Sold Suarez and got balotelli, signed lallana, Moreno, lovren, markovic. All poor signings imo with the only exception being Moreno who is mediocre at best. There is something seriously wrong if that's the best you can do after making the top 4. You can choose to deflect the blame by questioning your fellow fans, but take a good look at the facts and tell me that FSG are the best thing since sliced bread. Top 4 is key to any successful premier league team these days and that is relevant to all competitions not just the champions league. i think you have to be clever and choose the battles you can win, Premier League is out of the question, top four for me has gone also as I just don't think we are big enough as a club to sustain top four each season like the big boys, yes us, Spurs, Everton and maybe West Ham when the move into there new stadium might sneak in to the top four every 5 or 6 years but that's no good at all because you need to play in it 3 out of every 4 seasons to attract players and get the benefits of the champions league money. You watch Leicester if they are lucky enough to qualify, no top players will come and they will be out the top four following season when Chelsea come back, Vardy and Mahrez will leave too probably and this is what boat we will be in too if we did ever qualify, which we won't. Another thing is the champions league places are going down to 3 next season or the season after so that will definitely make it impossible to qualify and one of the big four will also miss out....
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