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more of an Audi than Fords, never liked them if am honest.
I think Wenger has done a remarkable Job in keeping Arsenal in the top four especially when there stadium was being built however if you think back which illustrates my point perfectly, Until last two seasons when they won the two F..A Cups the Arsenal fans wanted him sacked so there's how much qualifying for the champions league each season is thought of over the Domestic Cups by the fans. I know it brings in untold riches but come on Arsenal's return on about 20 years of consecutive qualifying has only returned 2 league titles in all that time and most of them when there was only one other team to compete with which was United.

Prioritising domestic trophies ahead of the league and European football portrays a lack of understanding about the modern game.

Football is a squad game, other clubs compete in the league, Europe and cups every season, why can't we? Even the lower league clubs manage to do it, (Excluding Europe obviously)

But they haven't won an Fa cup or league cup since the premier league was established and are unlikely to because they don't finish in the top four consistently, therefore are nowhere near being somewhat of an established club or having enough talent to compete all round, and this is why they lose frequently in this domestic competitions, as do other mid table and lower premier league sides. I can assure you the odds for newcastle winning a cup domestically are very low, despite not being in the champions league, as they are for most teams who struggle to compete with the bigger clubs. The fact there is a lot of smaller clubs compared to bigger clubs (who have bigger fan base etc) means there is always at least a 20-30% chance a lower league or lesser team will make a cup final, or the latter stages of a domestic competition.

Your lack of comprehension on how much an impact money has on the game frightens me, where have you been?

It means a great deal to fans to see their team triumph, like wigan in a domestic tournament, but ultimately they want success long term for their club.

I'd take Arsenal's position over ours...

No they haven't had the trophy haul they'd have wanted, but they're in a great position now, consecutive cups and closer to the title than they have for a while, albeit in a weak title chase.

The pressure's greater on Wenger now as he has the best squad and finance than he's had for 10 years, thanks to consistent top 4 finishes. Only Chelsea/Citys billions have stopped them adding more titles, which is more tribute to the job AW's done.

I think there are some parts of the modern game which have benefited like medical stuff and fitness however there are things which haven't helped the game like money, squad rotation, rich owners with no connections with the clubs they own and global fan bases.
I admit am no fan of the modern game and much enjoyed the 70s and 80s honesty, club and fan connection which sadly isn't there no more but you just have to get on with it. I will never celebrate a fourth league place over actually winning a trophy no matter how many modern fans dismiss it and back FSG blueprint

Why does it have to be a choice? Cups can be won as well as finishing in the European places you know.

And which fans on here back the FSG blueprint because I haven't seen any?

I disagree, have man utd's billions stopped them as well then when they finish below them?

I think he's an older generation and local, and is bitter about the money that's plagued football and everything that comes with it, inc foreign owners using a once local club as an investment. I understand that, but time's a changed so.. 'get out of the way if you can't lend a hand'.

A fan wanting the best for the club wants the best for the club, the business as a whole. Winning smaller cups doesn't benefit the club as a whole as much as CL qualification does. Fact. They're fine, nice day, players get a medal, but the likes of Suarez didn't come to win the league cup, they come to play against the best of the best i.e. CL.

We all want the club to win a cup or two, but it's a bonus to getting back to the real big time. No we can't win the league with this team, but top 4 offers HUGE cash advantages, attracts better players, and though we can't compete with the oligarchs of this world, Lfc can compete if we get top 4 and give Klopp funds.

Give him a couple years and think longer term than a league cup.

That said, a final vs Everton would be smashing.

the modern game and managers have decided you can't do both as proved by resting players when there fit and playing weakened teams which cheat the match going fans.
By adopting the fourth place is everything policy is exactly what FSG have bought the club for, they have no interest in actually winning the league as to do that would mean risking more of there own money which they are simply not prepared to do so instead they just put enough in to maybe pinch the 4th place with just a bit of there own capital. Fans wanting champions league are buying into this, FSG are not interested in F.A Cups and League Cups because there isn't enough profit in them and now the fans are dismissing them to, that's why they are buying into the blueprint and at the same time going against what the club has ever stood for which is trying to win trophies...

I disagree Spangles to a point. I think the whole Top4 thing is because fans (rightly or wrongly) see it as the first line in the sand to then kick on and win the league deluded or otherwise and many are.

A case in point would be a friend of mine (Arsenal fan) who said he is happy of late because he sees 4th-3rd and if they get 2nd this year whilst disappointing it is still progress surely and steadily to a league title after years of book balancing by Wenger. Right or not many fans see it this way and it's a fair point of view.