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just don't get this with some people, maybe it's just the modern fan who just disregard a clubs history and principles so easily... Like your doing by writing off the Premiership? And, in writing it off you're also writing off the future of the club. The way forward is to strive to attract better players who want to come to LFC, and the CL is a much better advert for us then the Capitol One Cup.
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league top 4 should be fought for until it is mathematically impossible to get there, that's where the money is and the top comp comes from finishing there! so for me that is the priority but a good cup run can be a bonus for sure yes good point so basically what you are saying is the money comes before trophies and success which is the exact philosophy FSG bought the club on the back on... What you don't seem to be realising is that whilst top 4 does bring more money, that's not what we care about. We care about the fact that it allows us to sign better players which in turn gives us a better chance in the cups you think we should be aiming for. How many of the last 10 FA and League cups have been won by teams in the top 4? 7/10 of the last 10 cups were won by the 'big 4' and we won one in 2005/6 when we were in top 4 so technically 8/10. 6/10 league cups were won by the 'big 4'. Maybe that answers your question of why top 4 is so important?
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league top 4 should be fought for until it is mathematically impossible to get there, that's where the money is and the top comp comes from finishing there! so for me that is the priority but a good cup run can be a bonus for sure yes good point so basically what you are saying is the money comes before trophies and success which is the exact philosophy FSG bought the club on the back on... What you don't seem to be realising is that whilst top 4 does bring more money, that's not what we care about. We care about the fact that it allows us to sign better players which in turn gives us a better chance in the cups you think we should be aiming for. How many of the last 10 FA and League cups have been won by teams in the top 4? 7/10 of the last 10 cups were won by the 'big 4' and we won one in 2005/6 when we were in top 4 so technically 8/10. 6/10 league cups were won by the 'big 4'. Maybe that answers your question of why top 4 is so important? yes some good points there but your missing the point also in that you don't have to be a top four club to win a cup while that's not the same for winning the Premier League. If you have good honest players and a good enough manager you can win domestic cups ahead of the big four, this is what I mean about picking battles we can win. I personally don't want mercenery players signed for big fees and on 100k a week, we have had all that before with your Ballotellis and what not, I also don't think having a global fanbase has benefited us either as since It came into so called existence in the 90s we have won virtual [oops] all compared to United or Chelsea...
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I personally don't want mercenery players signed for big fees and on 100k a week, Its impossible to get back to the top without spending big money and paying big wages. £100k a week doesn't even get you a world class player anymore.
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whereas we won't have that luxury as there is virtually no local fanbase now unfortunately, it's worth a discussion.. I can't agree with this, I know plenty of LFC fans who live in and around Liverpool that I meet up with as and when I go to games, there are plenty of hardcore scouse fans that follow us all over the country. For the record I've also lived in the city as well. As for saying all the locals support the 'peoples club' in Everton thats not remotely accurate. We probably get more tourists because we're a bigger club, thats all.
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The league is so wacky this year - if one team can get some consistency they will climb the table. In that sense, I don't blame Klopp for not conceding the prem just yet.
He might actually rotate for Stoke a bit, as they are a big physical team, Benteke could start that one. I agree with kopprophet and redscouser, about a morale boost, and attracting players with Cl football, but I see Spangles point, and any silverware in the cabinet could be massive going forward. I put this to you though spangles, would you rather we get embarrassed in the league, and lose to sides we should be beating by completely prioritizing cups? And does it make much of a difference to rest players, to 'prioritze', for cup matches? but we get embarrassed in the champions league just the same this is my point, we were embarrassed by that Bulgarian team and also Basel so that answers your question. You can answer one for me now...Arsenal Football Club has played in the Champions league for the last 12 seasons consecutively since they last won the League, exactly how has it benefited them in terms of winning a major trophy in this time. What would you rather do for the next ten season, appear in the champions league like Celtic, P.S.V and Olympikos do and get bounced out before the knock out stage or against the first good team we play or win a domestic cup, put it in the trophy cabinet, have somethin to show for your seasons efforts and have a great day out winning it. We are no longer the Liverpool Football Club from 30 years ago same as Leeds, Villa and Everton who all go back years to there glory days, football has changed and it won't go back to those times and this is what people need to accept and stop banging on about fanbases or previous trophies won a quarter of a century ago... I'll explain how it benefited them. It helped them pay back the costs of a new stadium, which brings in more revenue and allows them to buy better players, the likes of Alexis and Ozil, instead of Allen and Origi. That's how being a constant in the Cl has benefited arsenal. Their dominance is only at its infancy I'm afraid.
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The league is so wacky this year - if one team can get some consistency they will climb the table. In that sense, I don't blame Klopp for not conceding the prem just yet.
He might actually rotate for Stoke a bit, as they are a big physical team, Benteke could start that one. I agree with kopprophet and redscouser, about a morale boost, and attracting players with Cl football, but I see Spangles point, and any silverware in the cabinet could be massive going forward. I put this to you though spangles, would you rather we get embarrassed in the league, and lose to sides we should be beating by completely prioritizing cups? And does it make much of a difference to rest players, to 'prioritze', for cup matches? but we get embarrassed in the champions league just the same this is my point, we were embarrassed by that Bulgarian team and also Basel so that answers your question. You can answer one for me now...Arsenal Football Club has played in the Champions league for the last 12 seasons consecutively since they last won the League, exactly how has it benefited them in terms of winning a major trophy in this time. What would you rather do for the next ten season, appear in the champions league like Celtic, P.S.V and Olympikos do and get bounced out before the knock out stage or against the first good team we play or win a domestic cup, put it in the trophy cabinet, have somethin to show for your seasons efforts and have a great day out winning it. We are no longer the Liverpool Football Club from 30 years ago same as Leeds, Villa and Everton who all go back years to there glory days, football has changed and it won't go back to those times and this is what people need to accept and stop banging on about fanbases or previous trophies won a quarter of a century ago... I'll explain how it benefited them. It helped them pay back the costs of a new stadium, which brings in more revenue and allows them to buy better players, the likes of Alexis and Ozil, instead of Allen and Origi. That's how being a constant in the Cl has benefited arsenal. Their dominance is only at its infancy I'm afraid. yes you have made some really good points...however the nuts and bolts of it is what counts on tube pitch and what you have win because of all this having a great stadium, having these great players and bringing in untold riches in revenue and the top and bottom of it is Arsenal have won just 2 F.A Cups during the last 12 years where they beat Hull City and Villa, not a lot to show really is so playing every year in the champions league is not all that. I would like to also mention Arsenal have played champions league consecutively for about 20 years and only won about 2 leagues in that time and still not won a European cup, the new stadium has been opened 10 years ago and they still haven't won a league or champions league so tell me again what does champions league actually benefit you were it matters which is on the pitch and what you win...
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I don't think it's going in....quite simply, CL helps you win these domestic cups, if you refuse to accept that, there is no point in continuing this conservation. Being in the CL has massively benefited teams win domestically. I guess you want us to be the team who breaks that trend, and win on the rare off year like a villa, leeds, as you've mentioned etc.
Look as WNP is saying, 'How many of the last 10 FA and League cups have been won by teams in the top 4? 7/10 of the last 10 cups were won by the 'big 4' and we won one in 2005/6 when we were in top 4 so technically 8/10. 6/10 league cups were won by the 'big 4'.'
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This is Ford Focus right?
Sounds like your ideal scenario would be a league cup, Liverpool getting relegated, bringing in local players/manager and only people from Liverpool attending games. Give it back to the people!
Arsenal are in a great position, still need a couple of additions and for Wenger to loosen his cheque book a little more, but have no chance of dropping out the Elite teams for long now.
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2nd by a country mile, as gutted as they'd be they didn't win it, as we were.
Top 4 also brings the excitement of playing CL the following season, as well an enticing better players. Cups are a nice day out. League Cup means very little for those who don't attend, almost nothing.
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