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I don't know how many times I have to ask the question, all I am getting is stuff about solid team, great stadium nice expensive players to look at e.t.c the question is what have they actually won besides two F.A Cups hardly a great return and only one more trophy than Swansea, Birmingham, Midflesborough, Wigan and Portsmouth, the only way you can gage how much benefit it is, is by looking at what you have actually won, stadiums, players and solid bases are not much good when you end each season empty handed like what Arsenal have done in the last 12 years apart from 2 Seasons... Your original post talks about how we should be focusing on winning cups as the league is a dead end for us, now you say all Arsenal have done is win a couple of FA Cups, something that your desperate for us to do? What point are you trying to make? The facts of the matter are Arsenal are streets ahead of us in every department.
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I don't know how many times I have to ask the question, all I am getting is stuff about solid team, great stadium nice expensive players to look at e.t.c the question is what have they actually won besides two F.A Cups hardly a great return and only one more trophy than Swansea, Birmingham, Midflesborough, Wigan and Portsmouth, the only way you can gage how much benefit it is, is by looking at what you have actually won, stadiums, players and solid bases are not much good when you end each season empty handed like what Arsenal have done in the last 12 years apart from 2 Seasons... thing is they would always be feared and among top dogs,challenging n considered as contenders for big things. also agree with all posted above.
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you still haven't answered my point so I will ask again...how have Arsenal benefited from playing in the Champions League in what the whole aim of sport is in being successful on the pitch and winning. All you have done is mention a stadium, yes very nice but all the stadium, Sanchez and Ozil of this world have only returned two F..A Cups in that time and that's hardly a good return for playing 12 consecutive seasons, if I remember rite they even got beat by Birmingham City in the League Cup Final and Birmingham got relegated that season too. If you look at Arsenal there main success was built on the back of cheaper players in fact like Veira, Petite, Toure and home grown and players already there like Adams and Bould e.t.c nothing to do with champions League...
well they should have, should have made the most of a substantial monetary bonus every season, despite city's advance, chelsea's struggles, and man utd's success petering out with fergie. Wenger has held them back in my opinion. Part of the reason they haven't got in right in the market, is because of wenger's style. Arsenal haven't had a reliable goalkeeper, or top class striker since their last premiership title. They only reaped the rewards of 2 major Fa cups because they stuck with a manager who puts so much emphasis on passing, and midfield players scoring, they haven't score enough goals overall through their forwards, and haven't been strong, or consistent enough defensively, it's been a very mediocre arsenal side, they should be thankful van persie managed to silently rise under arsene and score 132 goals in 278 games otherwise they could have dropped out of the champions league places, and hanging on for their 4th place finish they have achieved fairly regularly as is well known. If Liverpool were to get champions league qualification, then the aim would be to get out of the group stages, and into the knockout rounds. I don't think that would be an embarrassment but a very good sign the club can compete at the highest level, even if we then went back to not doing very well domestically again, ups and downs happen in football.
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The facts of the matter are Arsenal are streets ahead of us in every department.
They said that about chelsea. they do have more security though, so they should
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Don't seem to be getting any real sense here so I will try another way of putting things...when we look back in 10 years time at the season we finished second which will be regarded as the best season to us fans, not John Henry, not Tom Werner, not FSG or Le Bron James or whatever his name is...US FANS...finishing second or beating Cardiff City and Winning the League Cup, don't forget not what you enjoyed or liked or what was more beneficial to us as fans...
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Don't seem to be getting any real sense here so I will try another way of putting things...when we look back in 10 years time at the season we finished second which will be regarded as the best season to us fans, not John Henry, not Tom Werner, not FSG or Le Bron James or whatever his name is...US FANS...finishing second or beating Cardiff City and Winning the League Cup, don't forget not what you enjoyed or liked or what was more beneficial to us as fans... Coming second and getting back to the ECL no matter how short lived it was.
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I don't see why people have given up on 4th. We've got a fair bit to make up points wise, and the way we've been playing it does seem unlikely, but it's certainly possible.
We're 8 points behind Spurs. If results go our way at the weekend that could easily be down to 5, and then Spurs still have to come to anfield, so win that and there's only be 2 points to make up. Given Spurs history of bottling it in the run in it could be done.
It may not be likely, but if you can't have hope, then what's the point of being a fan?
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We're 8 points behind Spurs. If results go our way at the weekend that could easily be down to 5, and then Spurs still have to come to anfield, so win that and there's only be 2 points to make up. Given Spurs history of bottling it in the run in it could be done.
It may not be likely, but if you can't have hope, then what's the point of being a fan?
15 matches left in the premier league, like KP said, any form of consistency and you're going to climb the league. But do you see us getting any consistency? something that all teams this season have struggled for. if liverpool do win 8 in a row, or go unbeaten in 10, and finish the season strongly, I'm putting a cheeky, ridiculous bet on us challenging next season.
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Don't seem to be getting any real sense here so I will try another way of putting things...when we look back in 10 years time at the season we finished second which will be regarded as the best season to us fans, not John Henry, not Tom Werner, not FSG or Le Bron James or whatever his name is...US FANS...finishing second or beating Cardiff City and Winning the League Cup, don't forget not what you enjoyed or liked or what was more beneficial to us as fans... Coming second and getting back to the ECL no matter how short lived it was. just don't get this with some people, maybe it's just the modern fan who just disregard a clubs history and principles so easily...
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just don't get this with some people, maybe it's just the modern fan who just disregard a clubs history and principles so easily... Like your doing by writing off the Premiership?
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