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Im not having a go at firmino. I just dont think hes suited to that position. We have to just take him and some other players for what they are. Firmino like the rest of liverpool midfied attackers arent ever gonna reach 15+ goals/assits a season.
Not many players can but in our instance i could never see some players reach 5 goals let alone 15.

I'm guessing you don't believe me either then when I said no PL player could of done better than firmino in that position against manchester united, I don't even see costa being able to get the ball outwide as well as firmino did, more likely pass it back to deeper players and try to take up a better position, while man utd regrouped. Even sergio, would of been interesting to see how he handled the man utd pressure from behind him, perhaps would have drawn the foul, but would have taken up better positions, and escaped his markers better. Or given how poor matches Can, Hendo, Milner, Lallana had etc. Why expect firmino to perform well every match if the team aren't?

More fool you then, he does suit that position, he also suits behind the striker (perhaps his best) because he can press and win the ball back most effectively from here, and on the right side of the pentagon. Get goalscorers and quality players in the same 6 attacking shape as him and we'll demolish teams. Has anyone even scored a first half hatrick against arsenal this season, let alone a hatrick against them? firmino almost did, with only milner, lallana, and ibe behind him. Just have belief, or how do you expect firmino to believe in himself?

So in other words no one has scored a first half hat-trick against Arsenal this season.

If Firmino was half the player you are making him out to be, we would be 10 points clear at the top of the table.

He has been average or poor in the vast majority of the games he has played for us so far and whilst he played reasonably well on Sunday he was far from outstanding.

Im sorry did you just try and compare firmino to costa/aguero?
Theres no mathematical scale you could use to compare firmino to anywhere near costa/aguero. Firmino is like a Volkswagen passat while the other two are the Ferrari/Lamborghini.
The thing is you could watch a whole game and think that firmino isnt playing when he is. When the likes of aguero is playing you know hes playing, the other team know hes playing.

Firmino is nowhere near as good as you're making him out to be although i do think its good you have a lot of patience and time for players like firmino.

I don't think Firmino will be bothered about the opinion of a few fans on a football forum.

And to say no other Premiership player could have done better than Firmino against Man Utd is nothing short of ludicrous.

You cannot have a balanced debate with you about Firmino because in your view he's brilliant every game and is going to be our new Luis Suarez.

Time will tell and I'm happy enough to give him the season to properly settle in. However this doesn't mean he is immune to criticism, when he plays poorly which he has on plenty of occasions he deserves criticism, when he plays well like Man City and Arsenal he deserves praise, its pretty simple really.

Good

It's my opinion, one I believe you should share if you thought more along the same lines as I do

He's not going to be our next Suarez, even though his dribbling ability is fantastic, I just think he's going to be a fantastic player for us, especially when we get better players around him.

Must mean that the rest of the team need slaughtering then, if firmino is not immune to criticism, because as other people are saying last 2 matches firmino has been terrific, effort and ability has been displayed, one of our best players as others are pointing out aswell, doesn't deserve any criticism really. I don't know why the rest of the team aren't being criticized more, they are partly responsible for firmino's overall performance as well, if he gets an opportunity infront of goal etc. How does arsenal's campbell get the extra 0.75 on his rating out of 10, ramsey makes the run, so he can get the assist. Firmino looks like he had an average performance against man utd, he actually had a solid good game for him, just had nothing to show for it, and neither did liverpool overall.

no other premiership player in firmino's position*

Yes they could, he was playing as a central striker.

Kane and Aguero are two easy examples who would have probably scored a decisive goal in that game.

What about his chance when his was clean through and didn't even get a shot away? Are you saying no other striker would have done better in that situation? If so thats mad!

with milner and lallana either side of him? you're having a laugh, it may as well of been a 4321, he didn't score in that game vs chelsea in that setup, didn't have a glimmer of a chance in that game either, so it's a wonder he almost got on the end of anything last time out, he did 2 or 3 times to his credit

clean through? sorry when? That's hardly half a chance, if you want to write off his ability to put the ball in the back of the net on the basis of that (yes he should have hit it first time), that is mad. chris, despite your high level scrutiny of firmino, we all know we should have beaten man utd regardless of firmino being a different player, we only need to watch the highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwcyEc8cGTE

I shouldn't be having to tell you firmino can be a great player for liverpool, do all your hopes next season rest entirely upon transfers? Buying a whole new squad?

At roughly the 2 min and the 4 min in that clip posted just proved what i was trying to say about firmino. 1st he misses the target and 2nd hes straight through and and is EASILY outmuscled off the ball.

Theres very few players i can see actually staying at liverpool if klopp wants to play his style. Most of them arent suited or good enough for what we need and for what klopp wants to play. I hope we do a massive overhaul of the squad because most of them were not good enough before they arent going to suddenly become brilliant, at least no all of them.