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Firmino has never shown anything to suggest he can be world class. You're living in dreamland. The way you go on about him, i think you're mixing him up with luis suarez......he's more like luis alberto! He was much better at Hoffenhiem but he has not fully adapted yet. He can still get better. Much, better as if he's not been fantastic for us already, could not have done anymore in this present team If by fantastic you mean ineffectual and rarely involved then you are spot on. He has been better recently, but he has a long way to go to prove that he was worth the money we spent.
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Lallana runs and runs and runs but don't score he missed another sitter v utd waste of space for me Can't see the back of him soon enough Sixty, just hope Klopp feels the same. Biggest waste of £25 million we've ever made even Carroll scored a few goals  He'll probably join him at West Ham for about £6 million. Suits, well done, take a bow. Another exemplary transfer.
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Firmino has never shown anything to suggest he can be world class. You're living in dreamland. The way you go on about him, i think you're mixing him up with luis suarez......he's more like luis alberto! He was much better at Hoffenhiem but he has not fully adapted yet. He can still get better. Much, better as if he's not been fantastic for us already, could not have done anymore in this present team If by fantastic you mean ineffectual and rarely involved then you are spot on. He has been better recently, but he has a long way to go to prove that he was worth the money we spent. Not quite sure if you know the meaning of ineffectual, visually. Nevermind him proving himself, the only thing these forums have proved is he shouldn't even be trying to play for liverpool with fans who don't just doubt him, but berate his tireless efforts for liverpool to date. Yes as have the whole squad to prove they are worth the investment, so how about you support liverpool and its quality players for a change?
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ofc not chris, but to put augero on a pedestal, as chelsea were put on a pedestal after their title win last year is not the way to evaluate. I know you say that if we had augero we'd be winning the league, but I beg to differ, if we had sturridge fit we wouldn't be winning the league, we'd probably be finishing 3rd at most.
I don't need to put Aguero on a pedestal, he's the best striker in our league and one of the best in world football. I also didn't say we'd win the league with him, I said we'd be challenging. You vastly under estimate the impact of a world class player on a team, I can say with near on certainty that with Aguero in our team we would have have 6 points from our last two matches based on the performances. I think with Sturridge we'd have won both as well.
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Can't see the back of him soon enough Sixty, just hope Klopp feels the same. Biggest waste of £25 million we've ever made even Carroll scored a few goals He'll probably join him at West Ham for about £6 million. Suits, well done, take a bow. Another exemplary transfer. I feel like I have written this post! Top comments and I agree completely.
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ofc not chris, but to put augero on a pedestal, as chelsea were put on a pedestal after their title win last year is not the way to evaluate. I know you say that if we had augero we'd be winning the league, but I beg to differ, if we had sturridge fit we wouldn't be winning the league, we'd probably be finishing 3rd at most.
I don't need to put Aguero on a pedestal, he's the best striker in our league and one of the best in world football. I also didn't say we'd win the league with him, I said we'd be challenging. You vastly under estimate the impact of a world class player on a team, I can say with near on certainty that with Aguero in our team we would have have 6 points from our last two matches based on the performances. I think with Sturridge we'd have won both as well. so where is sturridge, is he also one of the best strikers in our league/world football lmao Fair enough, but that's a bit deluded to say with surety, it's not fifa as you know. players become world class, they improve their fitness, they hone their ability hahahahahaha can't stop laughing, 6 points from our last 2 matches based on the performances we're talking about augero in firmino's place. Yes I think we'd of scored against man utd with sturridge in the team aswell with firmino.
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so where is sturridge, is he also one of the best strikers in our league/world football lmao
Fair enough, but that's a bit deluded to say with surety, it's not fifa as you know.
players become world class, they improve their fitness, they hone their ability
hahahahahaha can't stop laughing, 6 points from our last 2 matches based on the performances
we're talking about augero in firmino's place. Yes I think we'd of scored against man utd with sturridge in the team aswell with firmino.
I quite clearly mentioned Sturridge in my post. I think we should have beaten Arsenal, we played well and gift wrapped them their first two goals, with a solid defence and goalkeeper we probably win that game 2-1. Against Man Utd we had enough chances to win the game, just weren't clinic enough in the final third which is a common problem. I said with "near on certainty" as nothing is certain but I'll stand by point. World class players like Aguero always turn up in the big games and they can often be the difference between winning and losing. Firmino is no where near the level of a fully fit Sturridge or Aguero as it stands today, it would be awesome if he could get to that level but I have my doubts.
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I quite clearly mentioned Sturridge in my post.
I think we should have beaten Arsenal, we played well and gift wrapped them their first two goals, with a solid defence and goalkeeper we probably win that game 2-1.
Against Man Utd we had enough chances to win the game, just weren't clinic enough in the final third which is a common problem.
I said with "near on certainty" as nothing is certain but I'll stand by point. World class players like Aguero always turn up in the big games and they can often be the difference between winning and losing. Firmino is no where near the level of a fully fit Sturridge or Aguero as it stands today, it would be awesome if he could get to that level but I have my doubts.
With Milner and lallana either side of firmino it's not shocking, henderson also not making good decisions in the final third, despite getting forward as he always does well. If we had another firmino where milner was, we would have been clinical.
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I quite clearly mentioned Sturridge in my post.
I think we should have beaten Arsenal, we played well and gift wrapped them their first two goals, with a solid defence and goalkeeper we probably win that game 2-1.
Against Man Utd we had enough chances to win the game, just weren't clinic enough in the final third which is a common problem.
I said with "near on certainty" as nothing is certain but I'll stand by point. World class players like Aguero always turn up in the big games and they can often be the difference between winning and losing. Firmino is no where near the level of a fully fit Sturridge or Aguero as it stands today, it would be awesome if he could get to that level but I have my doubts.
With Milner and lallana either side of firmino it's not shocking, henderson also not making good decisions in the final third, despite getting forward as he always does well. If we had another firmino where milner was, we would have been clinical. 19 apps 3 goals 2 against 1 team just screams clinical. Firmino or another firmino is not the answer to solving our goalscoring opportunities. We need something different which we dont have at this moment.
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With Milner and lallana either side of firmino it's not shocking, henderson also not making good decisions in the final third, despite getting forward as he always does well. If we had another firmino where milner was, we would have been clinical.
19 apps 3 goals 2 against 1 team just screams clinical. Firmino or another firmino is not the answer to solving our goalscoring opportunities. We need something different which we dont have at this moment. This is getting tiring. If you could be bothered to look at the real stats it's actually 3 goals and 2 assists in 7 appearances as the centre attacker, or further forward attacker. Could easily be 5 goals in 7 with the 2 he wasted against man city. And for the millionth time, no I don't want see him as our only goalscorer (hence why I don't think he is 'the answer'), but one of four, or one of three.
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