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I agree. It's a service thing for me or lack of. The one thing I would question is why we bought that kind of player when wen didn't play that way under Rodgers and then he got rid of our wingers?
Exactly, why did Rodgers get rid of Carroll then sign Lambert and Benteke?
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Yes because it's so easy to cross to benteke, we should sign wingers just for benteke so we can adapt our style of football over 2 years to play relegation style football, and finish 3 points off relegation as did villa when they had him firing 20 a season? PURE GENIUS!
I've already tried to explain, so is it 'I can't understand all the Benteke hatred' or won't understand all the Benteke 'hatred'.
Benteke has to adapt to us, we can only bend so far and vary our attacks in a non counter attacking 442 diamond.
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I don't get all the Benteke hatred. We've already seen quite a variety of goals from him... volleys, pivot shots, headers... it's not like he has no ability. He scored 20+ a season in a poor Aston Villa side because he had REAL WINGERS. Everyone goes on about his movement... he'll never be an Aguero type player... he needs good crosses whipped in to the box to attack. I haven't seen a quality whipped ball in by any of our players in months. We always try to play through the defence with flicks that hardly ever work - or cut it back to people who can't shoot. When Benteke does get a cross it's one of those slow lob jobs that allow defenders to set up. If we had one midfielder with a quarter of Gerrard's talent for putting a good ball in Benteke would score. I agree. It's a service thing for me or lack of. The one thing I would question is why we bought that kind of player when wen didn't play that way under Rodgers and then he got rid of our wingers? He could do it for Klopp if Klopp buys the right players and plays how his old Dortmund team did. They used pace on the wings and got balls into Lewandowski with one behind him too. Why would you want to make liverpool into a crossing team? Leicester concede no end, playing wide. I think my problem is, I don't believe in this style of football. How many goals did Lewan score aerially for dortmund?
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I agree. It's a service thing for me or lack of. The one thing I would question is why we bought that kind of player when wen didn't play that way under Rodgers and then he got rid of our wingers?
Exactly, why did Rodgers get rid of Carroll then sign Lambert and Benteke? The idea at the time was to add more variety and unpredictability to our play. Benteke was suppose to be able to run the channels, hold the ball up for our attacking players and be a threat from crosses.
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I agree. It's a service thing for me or lack of. The one thing I would question is why we bought that kind of player when wen didn't play that way under Rodgers and then he got rid of our wingers?
Exactly, why did Rodgers get rid of Carroll then sign Lambert and Benteke? The idea at the time was to add more variety and unpredictability to our play. Benteke was suppose to be able to run the channels, hold the ball up for our attacking players and be a threat from crosses. Almost exactly like villa then, I find it hard to stand this idealism with never being able to not break down a team again because we have a big man in the box. There are other, man city type ways, of breaking down sides. Hardly unpredictable is it, if you are trying to get the ball directly to benteke, or cross it in.
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The idea at the time was to add more variety and unpredictability to our play.
Benteke was suppose to be able to run the channels, hold the ball up for our attacking players and be a threat from crosses.
So why get rid of Carroll as I said? Carroll is a perfect example of a different option. All Rodgers did was sell a player because he didn't suit his supposed style of football, then he signs two players (Lambert and Benteke) who are very similar players. All this proves is that Rodgers didn't really know what he wanted from his supposed brand of football.
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I don't get all the Benteke hatred. We've already seen quite a variety of goals from him... volleys, pivot shots, headers... it's not like he has no ability. He scored 20+ a season in a poor Aston Villa side because he had REAL WINGERS. Everyone goes on about his movement... he'll never be an Aguero type player... he needs good crosses whipped in to the box to attack. I haven't seen a quality whipped ball in by any of our players in months. We always try to play through the defence with flicks that hardly ever work - or cut it back to people who can't shoot. When Benteke does get a cross it's one of those slow lob jobs that allow defenders to set up. If we had one midfielder with a quarter of Gerrard's talent for putting a good ball in Benteke would score. I agree. It's a service thing for me or lack of. The one thing I would question is why we bought that kind of player when wen didn't play that way under Rodgers and then he got rid of our wingers? He could do it for Klopp if Klopp buys the right players and plays how his old Dortmund team did. They used pace on the wings and got balls into Lewandowski with one behind him too. Why would you want to make liverpool into a crossing team? Leicester concede no end, playing wide. I think my problem is, I don't believe in this style of football. How many goals did Lewan score aerially for dortmund? Just because we have wingers doesn't mean they have to just cross the ball to Benteke. The service to him is poor al round. And if you take his goals, only around 30% of them were headers up until the time we bought him. If you ever watched Dortmund, they were not just a crossing team. They broke quick and whether from the wings or from behind, always supplied Lewandowski quickly. He played off the shoulder as well as taking crosses into the box. I didn't watch them much but that seemed to be the way they play. They won quite a bit like that and weren't fighting relegation so I don't see why we would be playing that way? I think Klopp will go that way but doesn't feel he has the personal in my opinion. Not sure if he will stick with Benteke but he's not just a target man that you lump the ball up to, which is the mistake we're making, again in my opinion.
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Yes because it's so easy to cross to benteke, we should sign wingers just for benteke so we can adapt our style of football over 2 years to play relegation style football, and finish 3 points off relegation as did villa when they had him firing 20 a season? PURE GENIUS!
I've already tried to explain, so is it 'I can't understand all the Benteke hatred' or won't understand all the Benteke 'hatred'.
Benteke has to adapt to us, we can only bend so far and vary our attacks in a non counter attacking 442 diamond. tell that to Mourinho who built a champions league winning side around one Diego Milito and had the entire team adapt to Milito's game.
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I don't get all the Benteke hatred. We've already seen quite a variety of goals from him... volleys, pivot shots, headers... it's not like he has no ability. He scored 20+ a season in a poor Aston Villa side because he had REAL WINGERS. Everyone goes on about his movement... he'll never be an Aguero type player... he needs good crosses whipped in to the box to attack. I haven't seen a quality whipped ball in by any of our players in months. We always try to play through the defence with flicks that hardly ever work - or cut it back to people who can't shoot. When Benteke does get a cross it's one of those slow lob jobs that allow defenders to set up. If we had one midfielder with a quarter of Gerrard's talent for putting a good ball in Benteke would score. I agree. It's a service thing for me or lack of. The one thing I would question is why we bought that kind of player when wen didn't play that way under Rodgers and then he got rid of our wingers? He could do it for Klopp if Klopp buys the right players and plays how his old Dortmund team did. They used pace on the wings and got balls into Lewandowski with one behind him too. Why would you want to make liverpool into a crossing team? Leicester concede no end, playing wide. I think my problem is, I don't believe in this style of football. How many goals did Lewan score aerially for dortmund? Just because we have wingers doesn't mean they have to just cross the ball to Benteke. The service to him is poor al round. And if you take his goals, only around 30% of them were headers up until the time we bought him. If you ever watched Dortmund, they were not just a crossing team. They broke quick and whether from the wings or from behind, always supplied Lewandowski quickly. He played off the shoulder as well as taking crosses into the box. I didn't watch them much but that seemed to be the way they play. They won quite a bit like that and weren't fighting relegation so I don't see why we would be playing that way? I think Klopp will go that way but doesn't feel he has the personal in my opinion. Not sure if he will stick with Benteke but he's not just a target man that you lump the ball up to, which is the mistake we're making, again in my opinion. No I get that, but 'broke quickly' that involves counter attacking, benteke has no pace as we know. We're going to have to get the ball out wide quickly as villa and dortmund seemingly did. Surely we need to buy 2 benteke type players if we're choosing this path, incase he got injured.
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tell that to Mourinho who built a champions league winning side around one Diego Milito and had the entire team adapt to Milito's game.
I'm just warning it could majorly backfire.
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