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When you look back at Brendan's time in charge, there are some obvious mistakes that in hindsight can be identified. A series of poor signings, the line-up against Madrid, failing to resolve defensive issues.
Jurgen Klopp has made his first mistake - he has underestimated the demands of Liverpool's fixture list. It staggered me that he wasn't aware that there were replays in the FA Cup or 2nd legs in the league cup until after he joined Liverpool. There's a lot going for Klopp but he is not as astute or intelligent as say Rafa or Brendan.
It is because of this that he is not regarded in the class of Fergie or Wenger.
We've seen already the dramatic effect Klopp has had on Lovren and Emre Can. He certainly gives players belief that they lacked under Brendan.
However, we've paid the price of Klopp's first mistake in the form of a large injury list, and I just hope that this isn't a trend that will eventually down Klopp's Anfield career in a simlar way to Brendan's naivity and Rafa's domineering.
I agree with most of this. I don't however agree with some of the replies. There's nothing wrong with this post. I don't think Brendan was astute or intelligent though 
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First off, Brendan made a catalogue of mistakes not just a few.
I'm sure he knew all about our fixture list when he came and if you think he didn't know the tie's went to replays then you're even more stupid than your posts suggest.
Very few managers are regarded as highly as Fergie or Wenger but you can bet that Klopp is regarded higher than uncle Brendan.
And how is the injury list Klopp's fault exactly? Sturridge has been out for nearly 2 seasons on and off, Ings and Gomez got injured in the international break as Klopp took over and a fixture list like ours and that of any English team has the potential to cause injuries. That's why even the likes of Allardyce have suggested a break might be good. The players have also not been 'training' in this period as has been mentioned by Klopp and Lalanna so again, how is this Klopp's fault?
He said in an press-conference that he wasn't aware of the replays and second legs when he joined Liverpool. Yes, Klopp is regarded more highly than Brendan because he has achieved more. Not all the injuries are Klopp's fault. Whenever a player is more fatigued there is a greater risk of injury. Klopp's tactics aren't very compatible with Liverpool's fixture list. In my opinion he shouldn't have directly copied the blueprint from Dortmund until he had more players to rotate or had a summer to recruit more suitable players and a solid pre-season and do it gradually that way.
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When you look back at Brendan's time in charge, there are some obvious mistakes that in hindsight can be identified. A series of poor signings, the line-up against Madrid, failing to resolve defensive issues.
Jurgen Klopp has made his first mistake - he has underestimated the demands of Liverpool's fixture list. It staggered me that he wasn't aware that there were replays in the FA Cup or 2nd legs in the league cup until after he joined Liverpool. There's a lot going for Klopp but he is not as astute or intelligent as say Rafa or Brendan.
It is because of this that he is not regarded in the class of Fergie or Wenger.
We've seen already the dramatic effect Klopp has had on Lovren and Emre Can. He certainly gives players belief that they lacked under Brendan.
However, we've paid the price of Klopp's first mistake in the form of a large injury list, and I just hope that this isn't a trend that will eventually down Klopp's Anfield career in a simlar way to Brendan's naivity and Rafa's domineering.
I agree with most of this. I don't however agree with some of the replies. There's nothing wrong with this post. I don't think Brendan was astute or intelligent though Brendan shot himself in the foot at times with his interviews. He never made changes or admitted to mistakes, whereas klopp isnt afraid to admit when things arent good. The loss to west ham he said we simply weren't good enough and that we should be ""angry" instead of disappointed. Thing is i think klopp will learn from his mistakes and yea maybe he has be taken by the packed fixture list. Brendan gave it a try and i appreciate his efforts but he wasnt ever going to be good enough for liverpool he lacked the proper management skills and was more of a good coach than a good manager.
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How can players getting injured be his mistake? It can be lack of preparation in the pre-season, too weak players or bad medical staff. As usual you are talking [oops].
Some of the players have been overly fatigued by Klopp's demands in matches. He should have adapted his plan until he had the right players or a solid pre-season or whatever. Klopp is responsible for the medical staff so he should ultimately take the blame for any faults there (although I don't believe any of these injuries have been because of negligence of the medical staff).
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How can players getting injured be his mistake? It can be lack of preparation in the pre-season, too weak players or bad medical staff. As usual you are talking [oops].
Some of the players have been overly fatigued by Klopp's demands in matches. He should have adapted his plan until he had the right players or a solid pre-season or whatever. Klopp is responsible for the medical staff so he should ultimately take the blame for any faults there (although I don't believe any of these injuries have been because of negligence of the medical staff). Theres 2 things to this: 1. The players that are there now are lightweight and were bought to play BR gamestyle. 2. You cant expect to play that high tempo running 12km+ every game. Its just not feasible and some players only last a few games doing it. If we are going to play that style u need to do it at the most efficient times. Theres a time to play a game at 100% then theres also a time to slow a game down and go on the back foot.
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That's all very well but I would imagine Klopp doesn't feel we are capable of winning games that way with the squad he's been given. It certainly wasn't under Rodgers trying to play our way to victories and getting hammered 6-1 and the like at Stoke.
Furthermore, he is looking longterm (unlike most fans) and what better way to do that than by testing players the way he is in playing as we are.
It will become evident over the season (if it hasn't already) who will run through walls and who will not for him and the club and those who just don't fancy it.
He will prioritise (as he's done in the cup) and we'll see how we go but the blame by RS and the like as it fits their agenda appears unfounded scapegoating and a number of medical people and other managers have stated that lack of recovery time due to too many games is the main reason for injuries not the style played.
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That's all very well but I would imagine Klopp doesn't feel we are capable of winning games that way with the squad he's been given. It certainly wasn't under Rodgers trying to play our way to victories and getting hammered 6-1 and the like at Stoke.
Furthermore, he is looking longterm (unlike most fans) and what better way to do that than by testing players the way he is in playing as we are.
It will become evident over the season (if it hasn't already) who will run through walls and who will not for him and the club and those who just don't fancy it.
He will prioritise (as he's done in the cup) and we'll see how we go but the blame by RS and the like as it fits their agenda appears unfounded scapegoating and a number of medical people and other managers have stated that lack of recovery time due to too many games is the main reason for injuries not the style played. Agree top4. You can bet your arse that if we weren't going 100% every game the same people would also be slating Klopp!
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First off, Brendan made a catalogue of mistakes not just a few.
I'm sure he knew all about our fixture list when he came and if you think he didn't know the tie's went to replays then you're even more stupid than your posts suggest.
Very few managers are regarded as highly as Fergie or Wenger but you can bet that Klopp is regarded higher than uncle Brendan.
And how is the injury list Klopp's fault exactly? Sturridge has been out for nearly 2 seasons on and off, Ings and Gomez got injured in the international break as Klopp took over and a fixture list like ours and that of any English team has the potential to cause injuries. That's why even the likes of Allardyce have suggested a break might be good. The players have also not been 'training' in this period as has been mentioned by Klopp and Lalanna so again, how is this Klopp's fault?
He said in an press-conference that he wasn't aware of the replays and second legs when he joined Liverpool. Yes, Klopp is regarded more highly than Brendan because he has achieved more. Not all the injuries are Klopp's fault. Whenever a player is more fatigued there is a greater risk of injury. Klopp's tactics aren't very compatible with Liverpool's fixture list. In my opinion he shouldn't have directly copied the blueprint from Dortmund until he had more players to rotate or had a summer to recruit more suitable players and a solid pre-season and do it gradually that way. May I quote you regarding the injuries from your original post? 'However, we've paid the price of Klopp's first mistake in the form of a large injury list' This is you blaming him for our injuries and now they're not all his fault? So what is it then? (this is why he gets the replies he does Dunk) And what is Klopp supposed to do with regards his playing style? If we didn't give 100% every game you'd use that against him too and no doubt we'd be in an even bigger mess than we currently are. I'd also like to point out that uncle Brendan never changed his style until it was too late also.
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How can players getting injured be his mistake? It can be lack of preparation in the pre-season, too weak players or bad medical staff. As usual you are talking [oops].
Some of the players have been overly fatigued by Klopp's demands in matches. He should have adapted his plan until he had the right players or a solid pre-season or whatever. Klopp is responsible for the medical staff so he should ultimately take the blame for any faults there (although I don't believe any of these injuries have been because of negligence of the medical staff). How many times we have said here that the players are not giving their best, even sometimes under Klopp. At least he is getting them to do their job properly, now if they are injured at it, then they are not fit enough to play in the EPL. Whose mistake is that? Definitely the one who bought such weak players or as I said the pre-season was not used properly for them to last the whole season. Klopp to continue what inept Rodgers was doing would be a bigger mistake in my mind, at least he is trying something different.
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When you look back at Brendan's time in charge, there are some obvious mistakes that in hindsight can be identified. A series of poor signings, the line-up against Madrid, failing to resolve defensive issues.
Jurgen Klopp has made his first mistake - he has underestimated the demands of Liverpool's fixture list. It staggered me that he wasn't aware that there were replays in the FA Cup or 2nd legs in the league cup until after he joined Liverpool. There's a lot going for Klopp but he is not as astute or intelligent as say Rafa or Brendan.
It is because of this that he is not regarded in the class of Fergie or Wenger.
We've seen already the dramatic effect Klopp has had on Lovren and Emre Can. He certainly gives players belief that they lacked under Brendan.
However, we've paid the price of Klopp's first mistake in the form of a large injury list, and I just hope that this isn't a trend that will eventually down Klopp's Anfield career in a simlar way to Brendan's naivity and Rafa's domineering.
I agree with most of this. I don't however agree with some of the replies. There's nothing wrong with this post. I don't think Brendan was astute or intelligent though What exactly do you agree with of this post? He can't praise klopp in one breath and in the next make unfair wum statements. Or use brendan's time in charge to compare it to klopp as he does with the first 2 paragraphs.
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