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It's a subjective argument there are no right answers. Also a servant to me is not necessarily the most talented player. I have followed Liverpool since early childhood in 1963. These would be my list Callaghan, Hansen, dalglish, Gerrard, heighway, hall.
Of that list I would put Callaghan, dalglish, heighway, hall ahead.
I think Callaghan edges it for the length of playing service and post career help to the club most of which was unpublicised. He also was in an era where rewards were very moderate e.g wages three times the UK average wage God knows what multipler modern footballers are of the average wage.
I remember him as a player right sided mid hardly ever injured and a workrate I have never seen bettered I am doing this from memory but I think he has most appearances for Liverpool of any player. I would say not as talented as Gerrard but he was international class and would be in any Liverpool all time 11.
For me no one has given more to the club for so little Some people are getting confused between great player and servant. I am saying great servant because he had the opportunity to earn more both in terms of money and trophies but stayed helping the club to win the CL (not only the final, let's not forget the Olympiakos 3rd goal to get us through) and the FA cup. He decided to serve the club when he had much better options, not sure who else did that for LFC. As a player, from what I have seen, I would put him just behind Dalglish Callaghan was one of the core stalwarts who took Liverpool from second division no bodies to the top of European football and made the club the global entity what it is today. I think he was made the maximum appearances great player a work rate I have never seen since never arrested never beat the living daylight savings out of anyone at 3am money not an issue won a World Cup along with Rodger hunt which reflects well on Liverpool post retirement did a lot of unseen work for the club and community I could go on and on. Gerrard was a great player to an extent a good servant but the greatest ever no way ! Ok, as I don't know Callaghan I can't really comment on him. So let's say for the elders it is Callaghan and the younger SG.
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In terms of players, Mr Lion Heart, Tommy Smith in the late 70's and early 80's WAS LFC.
He is my number one choice as the greatest servant.
He and the likes of Emlyn Hughes set the standard for the next two decades.
Brings a tear to the eye when you remember the beautiful courageous football we use to play.
I hope it can be so again. In Klopp we trust.
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In terms of players, Mr Lion Heart, Tommy Smith in the late 70's and early 80's WAS LFC.
He is my number one choice as the greatest servant.
He and the likes of Emlyn Hughes set the standard for the next two decades.
Brings a tear to the eye when you remember the beautiful courageous football we use to play.
I hope it can be so again. In Klopp we trust. I don't think players are built like that anymore, could you honestly see players nowadays getting an injection just to play for there Club coz they love it like the older players did, players like Cally, Phil Thompson, Smith and Terry McDermott and your Lovren, Firmino, Moreno and Countinho doing the same now, not a chance in hell...
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Vish had you said SG was the greatest servant of the club of the past 15 years you might have had more luck with your thread
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There's a good case for any of Gerrard, Dalglish, Callaghan, Smith, Case and a score of others. No point really in arguing so agree to disagree.
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There's a good case for any of Gerrard, Dalglish, Callaghan, Smith, Case and a score of others. No point really in arguing so agree to disagree. there might even be a person behind the scenes cooking meals, driving the team bus, working as a steward, washing kits or preparing meals at Melwood who could of been serving the club for the last 30 odd years for all as we know, they have as much claim too...
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Vish had you said SG was the greatest servant of the club of the past 15 years you might have had more luck with your thread I would say past 30 years. Before that I won't remember
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Vish had you said SG was the greatest servant of the club of the past 15 years you might have had more luck with your thread I would say past 30 years. Before that I won't remember Then that's what you should have said
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In terms of players, Mr Lion Heart, Tommy Smith in the late 70's and early 80's WAS LFC.
He is my number one choice as the greatest servant.
He and the likes of Emlyn Hughes set the standard for the next two decades.
Brings a tear to the eye when you remember the beautiful courageous football we use to play.
I hope it can be so again. In Klopp we trust. I don't think players are built like that anymore, could you honestly see players nowadays getting an injection just to play for there Club coz they love it like the older players did, players like Cally, Phil Thompson, Smith and Terry McDermott and your Lovren, Firmino, Moreno and Countinho doing the same now, not a chance in hell... It wouldn't happen these days for a number of reasons: -Players are now worth tens of millions so clubs need to protect their investments -Players are on big contracts so clubs cannot afford to risk sidelining them -Health & Safety issues -Medical negligence -Protected contracts -Sponsorship involvements tied in with player appearances -And so on and so on Even if a player wanted an injection to get him through an extra game or 2 these days, it would never happen. That doesn't (necessarily) mean they aren't as 'tough' as the older generation of players.
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Gerry Byrne playing a match with a broken collarbone Bert trautman playing with a broken neck can you see Sturridge doing that ?
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