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I don't know why so many people have an agenda against Steven Gerrard, he is perhaps our best player and biggest servant. Sure we can be nostalgic and suggest players in the past were better servants, however, they were never tempted by transfer offers the current era has to offer and players are more in control of transfer than the bygone era. Take your point but that argument works both ways Ian Callaghan never fought in nightclubs to my knowledge or was arrested and in that era players behaved far worse than they do now in terms of drink culture. Gerrard was a great player you could say the best but servant no.
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I don't know why so many people have an agenda against Steven Gerrard, he is perhaps our best player and biggest servant. Sure we can be nostalgic and suggest players in the past were better servants, however, they were never tempted by transfer offers the current era has to offer and players are more in control of transfer than the bygone era. Take your point but that argument works both ways Ian Callaghan never fought in nightclubs to my knowledge or was arrested and in that era players behaved far worse than they do now in terms of drink culture. Gerrard was a great player you could say the best but servant no. what has that got to do with football ? I don't care about Gerrard's personal life, I care for what he's done for the club as a player.
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ofcorse Cally is a greater servant and for me Gerrard doesn't get into the top ten greatest players... Surely Steven Gerrard is in the Top 10 of Liverpool players ever. He's my favourite ever player because the likes of Callaghan, Rush, Dalglish, Hansen, Souness and so on were before my time. Fowler is a close second for me followed by Carragher. I think a persons top 10 depends on what there criteria of greatness is measured in, some might say appearances which puts him up there with Cally and Carragher, others might say ability which puts him maybe second to John Barnes but for me it's what you have done for the club and the greatest thing you can do is help them to win the games major honours and play an important more than expected role doing it. So for me Gerrard is behind Dalglish, Souness, Keegan, Hunt, St John, Hansen, Neal, Case and the two Kennedys at least who all achieved and helped the Club become great and what it is more...
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I think a persons top 10 depends on what there criteria of greatness is measured in, some might say appearances which puts him up there with Cally and Carragher, others might say ability which puts him maybe second to John Barnes but for me it's what you have done for the club and the greatest thing you can do is help them to win the games major honours and play an important more than expected role doing it. So for me Gerrard is behind Dalglish, Souness, Keegan, Hunt, St John, Hansen, Neal, Case and the two Kennedys at least who all achieved and helped the Club become great and what it is more... Ok, so what about Gerrard driving Liverpool to the 2005 European Cup? The other players you mentioned played in world class teams, the best of their generation. Gerrard played in some pretty poor Liverpool sides and has won everything possible apart from the Premiership. For me his achievements are more impressive than those you mention, considering the teams played in.
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Not sure what the definition of great servant is but my own includes conduct and behaviour as part of the package as this reflects on the club. It's also not true Ian Callaghan played in great sides all the time he was one of the players under shankly that took the club from a lowly second division side to the pinnacle of European football. Effectively making the club the global name it is today as it certainly would not have been without the European success of the 1970,s. I remember him well I would say as a player Gerrard more talented but club servant cally no comparison.
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It's also not true Ian Callaghan played in great sides all the time he was one of the players under shankly that took the club from a lowly second division side to the pinnacle of European football.
I don't believe Callaghan was mentioned by the poster I was responding to Stan.. All the players mentioned were part of great teams so I think my point stands.
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It's also not true Ian Callaghan played in great sides all the time he was one of the players under shankly that took the club from a lowly second division side to the pinnacle of European football.
I don't believe Callaghan was mentioned by the poster I was responding to Stan.. All the players mentioned were part of great teams so I think my point stands. Then again I was born in 1987 so its before my time... I've watched plenty of highlights of our old teams and been told many a story by my Dad and Grandad but I can only comment on players I have seen and Gerrard, Fowler and Carragher and my stand out players.
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The orginal poster said greatest ever servant he did not specify eras I first watched Liverpool in the mid 60,s I would put Callaghan there the late Brian hall also worth a mention both for his playing career and the work he did for many years as club community officer
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The orginal poster said greatest ever servant he did not specify eras I first watched Liverpool in the mid 60,s I would put Callaghan there the late Brian hall also worth a mention both for his playing career and the work he did for many years as club community officer I was referring to the posts between myself and Spangles. Was it Brian Hall who announced the teams and other information over the tannoy years ago?
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This is certainly a great debate! For me the best ever servant (by a hairs breadth) was Alan Hansen. He might not have played the most games, and has succeeded in annoying a few people as a TV pundit, but what a majestic defender. Hardly ever got booked in the most brutal of eras whilst commanding our back four, or put in a bad performance, until his medically enforced retirement at almost 36 years of age. Before that he was almost ever-present for over a decade. Imagine that now?
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