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I wonder if Mark Noble would have bossed the midfield so much if the game was more open, hm, perhaps not.
Feel has no impact on the cold hard result chris, yes you are right, it did feel like we wanted it more than Stoke from the first whistle, that's not to say Stoke couldn't have drawn or won the match even if we were 'up for it' and wanted it more.
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The main difference was that last night the team we're up for the fight. They were far from that against West Ham or Watford. Well done the team and well done Klopp, Lets all hope there's no recidivism, we have to go out with that same mentality for every game. Maybe, just maybe, the players were jaded after having played on Wed night away and then early kick-off on Saturday.
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Did liverpool want it more than chelsea when we lost 2-0 in the defining title defeat? Completely different, when you watch a game of football you can tell straight away if your players are up for it, if they aren't you will lose games in the Premiership against anyone. Of course any team can beat anyone on their day but the least I expect is the players to compete for every ball, myself like most fans and more forgiving of defeats if this is the case. The 2-0 reverse to Chelsea was lost due to a slip or mistake, whichever you class what happened to Gerrard as, that can happen unfortunately, the same as someone scoring a worldie out of no where.
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Feel has no impact on the cold hard result chris, yes you are right, it did feel like we wanted it more than Stoke from the first whistle, that's not to say Stoke couldn't have drawn or won the match even if we were 'up for it' and wanted it more.
Yes Stoke could have drawn but I still would have been happy as the work rate and desire from the players was there for everyone to see from minute one. That in turn led to a much better performance. If we do the basics right every week thats a good start.
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Did liverpool want it more than chelsea when we lost 2-0 in the defining title defeat? Completely different, when you watch a game of football you can tell straight away if your players are up for it, if they aren't you will lose games in the Premiership against anyone. Of course any team can beat anyone on their day but the least I expect is the players to compete for every ball, myself like most fans and more forgiving of defeats if this is the case. The 2-0 reverse to Chelsea was lost due to a slip or mistake, whichever you class what happened to Gerrard as, that came happen unfortunately, the same as someone scoring a worldie out of no where. The same as someone dropping a ball? I don't know what you expect, liverpool Champions league type coming back from 3 goals down down happen as easily as they used to. You know Liverpool can't break sides down well, so what difference does it make if Can makes a great sliding challenge to win the ball back in midfield, and shows leadership? Teams are playing the score more than ever, so many teams are counter attacking, it makes it extremely hard to comeback against a counter attacking side. Look at tottenham dominate the game against everton, always have an attacking intent, only just about manage to get a draw. Doesn't mean it's not feasible to completely turn it around, but you are asking for something very difficult with a squad who only just about manage to break teams down with benteke in the side all square. It's no surprise west ham and watford created loads of chances on the break after liverpool went in search of a way back into the game, it's 11 v 11. We could of had 2/3 goals back in quick succession against watford with some patient build up in the second half, and using the width, but people choose to ignore that, they say instead we could have lost 4 or 5 nil, instead of 3. So please tell me what difference it makes on how people view our performance? they only look at the result, I'm not suggesting we should give up if we trail, but fans need to stop perceiving a draw to west brom as a poor performance.
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The same as someone dropping a ball?
I don't know what you expect, liverpool Champions league type coming back from 3 goals down down happen as easily as they used to. You know Liverpool can't break sides down well, so what difference does it make if Can makes a great sliding challenge to win the ball back in midfield, and shows leadership? Teams are playing the score more than ever, so many teams are counter attacking, it makes it extremely hard to comeback against a counter attacking side. Look at tottenham dominate the game against everton, always have an attacking intent, only just about manage to get a draw. Doesn't mean it's not feasible to completely turn it around, but you are asking for something very difficult with a squad who only just about manage to break teams down with benteke in the side all square. It's no surprise west ham and watford created loads of chances on the break after liverpool went in search of a way back into the game, it's 11 v 11.
We could of had 2/3 goals back in quick succession against watford with some patient build up in the second half, and using the width, but people choose to ignore that, they say instead we could have lost 4 or 5 nil, instead of 3. So please tell me what difference it makes on how people view our performance? they only look at the result, I'm not suggesting we should give up if we trail, but fans need to stop perceiving a draw to west brom as a poor performance.
I've never mentioned the WBA game. Bogdan dropped the ball in the second minute against Watford, we had 88 minutes to rectify and change the game around. I've watched plenty of Liverpool sides over the years come back from a goal down to win with relative ease. I don't know what Watford game you were watching but we only created 1, maybe 2 chances in the whole game. Watford scored 3, missed a one on one as well as an open goal. Perhaps instead of just focusing on excuses for unacceptable results you should look at player performances. They haven't been good enough in a fair few games and when the deserve criticism they should take it, the same as taking praise when it's deserved.
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The same as someone dropping a ball?
I don't know what you expect, liverpool Champions league type coming back from 3 goals down down happen as easily as they used to. You know Liverpool can't break sides down well, so what difference does it make if Can makes a great sliding challenge to win the ball back in midfield, and shows leadership? Teams are playing the score more than ever, so many teams are counter attacking, it makes it extremely hard to comeback against a counter attacking side. Look at tottenham dominate the game against everton, always have an attacking intent, only just about manage to get a draw. Doesn't mean it's not feasible to completely turn it around, but you are asking for something very difficult with a squad who only just about manage to break teams down with benteke in the side all square. It's no surprise west ham and watford created loads of chances on the break after liverpool went in search of a way back into the game, it's 11 v 11.
We could of had 2/3 goals back in quick succession against watford with some patient build up in the second half, and using the width, but people choose to ignore that, they say instead we could have lost 4 or 5 nil, instead of 3. So please tell me what difference it makes on how people view our performance? they only look at the result, I'm not suggesting we should give up if we trail, but fans need to stop perceiving a draw to west brom as a poor performance.
I've never mentioned the WBA game. Bogdan dropped the ball in the second minute against Watford, we had 88 minutes to rectify and change the game around. I've watched plenty of Liverpool sides over the years come back from a goal down to win with relative ease. I don't know what Watford game you were watching but we only created 1, maybe 2 chances in the whole game. Watford scored 3, missed a one on one as well as an open goal. Perhaps instead of just focusing on excuses for unacceptable results you should look at player performances. They haven't been good enough in a fair few games and when the deserve criticism they should take it, the same as taking praise when it's deserved. Yes but I mean games like the west brom match, where we didn't get the result. rude ..... to the rest, I've wasted enough brain power with someone who can't look beyond their nose end. You make me feel blessed I have vision
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The same as someone dropping a ball?
I don't know what you expect, liverpool Champions league type coming back from 3 goals down down happen as easily as they used to. You know Liverpool can't break sides down well, so what difference does it make if Can makes a great sliding challenge to win the ball back in midfield, and shows leadership? Teams are playing the score more than ever, so many teams are counter attacking, it makes it extremely hard to comeback against a counter attacking side. Look at tottenham dominate the game against everton, always have an attacking intent, only just about manage to get a draw. Doesn't mean it's not feasible to completely turn it around, but you are asking for something very difficult with a squad who only just about manage to break teams down with benteke in the side all square. It's no surprise west ham and watford created loads of chances on the break after liverpool went in search of a way back into the game, it's 11 v 11.
We could of had 2/3 goals back in quick succession against watford with some patient build up in the second half, and using the width, but people choose to ignore that, they say instead we could have lost 4 or 5 nil, instead of 3. So please tell me what difference it makes on how people view our performance? they only look at the result, I'm not suggesting we should give up if we trail, but fans need to stop perceiving a draw to west brom as a poor performance.
I've never mentioned the WBA game. Bogdan dropped the ball in the second minute against Watford, we had 88 minutes to rectify and change the game around. I've watched plenty of Liverpool sides over the years come back from a goal down to win with relative ease. I don't know what Watford game you were watching but we only created 1, maybe 2 chances in the whole game. Watford scored 3, missed a one on one as well as an open goal. Perhaps instead of just focusing on excuses for unacceptable results you should look at player performances. They haven't been good enough in a fair few games and when the deserve criticism they should take it, the same as taking praise when it's deserved. Yes but I mean games like the west brom match, where we didn't get the result. rude ..... to the rest, I've wasted enough brain power with someone who can't look beyond their nose end. You make me feel blessed I have vision Naw all that repeated rubbish wasn't brain power Torres, that was flatulence! You're arguments are repetitive, contradictory and nonsensical. Are you really a red, or are you just a wum, or some kind of troll? In any case your "vision" is nothing more than one long repetitive brainfart.
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The same as someone dropping a ball?
I don't know what you expect, liverpool Champions league type coming back from 3 goals down down happen as easily as they used to. You know Liverpool can't break sides down well, so what difference does it make if Can makes a great sliding challenge to win the ball back in midfield, and shows leadership? Teams are playing the score more than ever, so many teams are counter attacking, it makes it extremely hard to comeback against a counter attacking side. Look at tottenham dominate the game against everton, always have an attacking intent, only just about manage to get a draw. Doesn't mean it's not feasible to completely turn it around, but you are asking for something very difficult with a squad who only just about manage to break teams down with benteke in the side all square. It's no surprise west ham and watford created loads of chances on the break after liverpool went in search of a way back into the game, it's 11 v 11.
We could of had 2/3 goals back in quick succession against watford with some patient build up in the second half, and using the width, but people choose to ignore that, they say instead we could have lost 4 or 5 nil, instead of 3. So please tell me what difference it makes on how people view our performance? they only look at the result, I'm not suggesting we should give up if we trail, but fans need to stop perceiving a draw to west brom as a poor performance.
I've never mentioned the WBA game. Bogdan dropped the ball in the second minute against Watford, we had 88 minutes to rectify and change the game around. I've watched plenty of Liverpool sides over the years come back from a goal down to win with relative ease. I don't know what Watford game you were watching but we only created 1, maybe 2 chances in the whole game. Watford scored 3, missed a one on one as well as an open goal. Perhaps instead of just focusing on excuses for unacceptable results you should look at player performances. They haven't been good enough in a fair few games and when the deserve criticism they should take it, the same as taking praise when it's deserved. Yes but I mean games like the west brom match, where we didn't get the result. rude ..... to the rest, I've wasted enough brain power with someone who can't look beyond their nose end. You make me feel blessed I have vision Naw all that repeated rubbish wasn't brain power Torres, that was flatulence! You're arguments are repetitive, contradictory and nonsensical. Are you really a red, or are you just a wum, or some kind of troll? In any case your "vision" is nothing more than one long repetitive brainfart. Maybe my arguments wouldn't be so repetitive if it went in your thick head?
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