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Fair play to Joe Allen last night as well, I don't rate him in the slightest but he was very good. I've got so much more time for our players when they work as hard as they did last night, any team can lose a football match but it should never be because the other team wants it more like it was at Watford and WHU.

Hopefully we'll see this type of performances repeated over the coming weeks.

Totally agree there Chris!

Ability or lack of it isn't their own fault, but effort is what we demand from them, and that was definitely delivered last night!

Exactly, if the players are given 100% as a minimum and are prepared to do the dirty work when needed decent results will follow, I'm sure of it.

I agree, and Klopp knows that, but he's been criticized for working them too hard in training, what do you make of that?

Don't want to say this for definite, so take it with a pinch of salt, but I don't think you'd like allen if we used a 4231, as opposed to a 433, he can't pass from as deep or be as influential, so I'd still not hold my breath over him, even though he has qualities, the welsh international gives us a good option, but is still backup for me, hope he doesn't mind me saying that because he was immense. Due to the fact (even though his passing from deep was great) he doesn't offer enough going forward, we'd most likely see that if we weren't counter attacking in such a compact setup, in Rodgers style CA football, or if he was infront of goal, even though he did get himself in scoring positions for firmino at times.

5 hamstring injuries suggest something needs to change in training, but its the busiest period of the football calendar and injuries happen unfortunately.

Personally I have no issue with Klopp or any football manager working players as hard as possible, they earn enough and if they aren't performing they should be made to train twice as hard.

I don't know about that as Lallana has come out said that the team's mainly doing recovery training during this hectic period.
I'd think it's more the lack of conditioning from the previous training regime. Or just pure sh*t luck.

The main difference was that last night the team we're up for the fight. They were far from that against West Ham or Watford. Well done the team and well done Klopp, Lets all hope there's no recidivism, we have to go out with that same mentality for every game.

nope. we could be 'up for the fight' against madrid, newcastle or leicester and still categorically lose.

chelsea didn't play that well, other than costa, just a big improvement on their away form this season. And an 'up for the fight' palace lost 3-0 in front of their home fans, with the game finely poised at 0-0, 4 shots on target a piece.

You'd be wise to learn that result doesn't equal effort. I mean you should get that by now, losing 3-0 to watford, beating leicester 1-0. beating sunderland 1-0, losing 2-0 to west ham. winning 1-0 vs stoke. We've played nearly almost as well as we could each game with this squad, under klopp. We've just had bad fortune at times, and silly errors. A team don't go to west ham half committed to doing a job (other than maybe benteke), if you believe that fine though.

Doesn't matter what you or I think about this anyway, it doesn't change whether liverpool go in with the mindset if we give it everything we'll get the right result or not. You're right it does make a difference though, for example moreno could pick himself up and track back, it supports what klopp said too you can't play at 95%. Was also famously said by Jimmy Hill, that extra 1% in a game can make all the difference. It is possible to perform well and not get the result you deserve, any top flight team battling for points could tell you that.

Watford and WHU wanted it more than us, that was clear in both games.

Last night it felt that we wanted it more than Stoke, and thats how it should feel watching every game.

Mark Noble pretty much bossed the midfield for West Ham against us, Ben Watson and Etienne Capoue did the same for Watford, is that because they are better players? No, but they were prepared to do the dirty work which is needed to enable players to show their quality.

Did liverpool want it more than chelsea when we lost 2-0 in the defining title defeat?