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Actually that analogy is quiet good, same thing we loved Hitler and Mussolini..the west that is..american business and money made Hitler and he and the nazi party were very popular in America. Had a chance to deal his army a major blow when they attacked spain with the fascists and we not only did nothing we supported Franco..and why ? well same as today, we prefer minority strict rule over majority rule..that is our form of democracy .
So in the middle east its the same..who are our allies down there? saudi and israel the two biggest ones..Saudi's teach sunni extremism and export it and israel is in breach of international court laws for decades and have subject the palestians to a brutal prison like existence and humiliation. Shia are our enemy down there because they want democracy and are not as extreme as the sunni's
So until we stop our hyprocrisy and greedy motives then we can't pretend we are saving anything by bombing and bombing.. will say it again, it is in writing ..this shia attack was pre-planned, u can read it in the neocons manifesto.
All these anti-muslim comparing to hitler stuff is pathetic if u can't address the fact that we support these guys in essence. The west is destroying the world for money..slaughter south america in the 80's,south east asia the decade before and now the military industry invented a terrorist army to spend money on.
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Well the UK is now the prime suspected next target for ISIS according to intelligence reports. This is obviously a result of your vote and to the stupidity of this endless war we created. Elect someone that has an actual stated policy for making the middle east a better place not more of the same bombing crap that got us an endless war. As if we weren't anyway  And you talk about propaganda!
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Did anyone read Nicolas Henin's article in the Independant?
Held captive for 10 months after being a journalist in the area. Seems to talk sense...
'The winner of this war will not be the party that has the newest, the most expensive or the most sophisticated weaponry, but the party that manages to win over people'
“We are just fuelling our enemies and fuelling the misery and disaster for the local people.”
“What we have to do – and this is really key – is we have to engage the local people. As soon as the people have hope for a political solution, the Islamic State will just collapse.
He also said we fell for the trap after they attacked Paris and called for closed borders. Same as people on here who claim we're inviting the terrorists onto our streets.
So we just have to think of some idea no one has ever thought of in the years of the Vienna UN discussions explain to it local people and Islamic state disappear no need for military intervention at all. That sounds plausible. And all the bad people in the world stop being bad and be nice and all wars stop? While we wait for that Islamic state carry on their brutality. 'The winner of this war will not be the party that has the newest, the most expensive or the most sophisticated weaponry, but the party that manages to win over people' What is about that that doesn't make sense Stan? Or should we just continue with the failed policies of our governments. It does make sense and that's what they are trying to do as part of a package of measures the UN are involved with extensive peace talks in Vienna to try to stabilise the position but there are situations where only talking won't progress and this is one of them.
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The alternative to only talking is not "bombing the crap out of a country and killing civilians". Well not to normal people. To the less evolved it seems to be.
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Actually that analogy is quiet good, same thing we loved Hitler and Mussolini..the west that is..american business and money made Hitler and he and the nazi party were very popular in America. Had a chance to deal his army a major blow when they attacked spain with the fascists and we not only did nothing we supported Franco..and why ? well same as today, we prefer minority strict rule over majority rule..that is our form of democracy .
So in the middle east its the same..who are our allies down there? saudi and israel the two biggest ones..Saudi's teach sunni extremism and export it and israel is in breach of international court laws for decades and have subject the palestians to a brutal prison like existence and humiliation. Shia are our enemy down there because they want democracy and are not as extreme as the sunni's
So until we stop our hyprocrisy and greedy motives then we can't pretend we are saving anything by bombing and bombing.. will say it again, it is in writing ..this shia attack was pre-planned, u can read it in the neocons manifesto.
All these anti-muslim comparing to hitler stuff is pathetic if u can't address the fact that we support these guys in essence. The west is destroying the world for money..slaughter south america in the 80's,south east asia the decade before and now the military industry invented a terrorist army to spend money on. Nice anti western rant but the United Nations does not agree it recently passed a resolution requiring we tackle Islamic state by all means, all means meaning political and miliary. Which is what's happening and so it should
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As ive said muslim leaders state and religious must let all muslims know that its not done in allhahs name nor in the name of islam and is against muslim belief itself and put a jihad on the group! why not might work if only allienating them! what is there too lose ? And if it makes normal muslims see its againts there religion then they might not help or join them so if they were born and bred in the US, why portrait them as muslims and not as Americans. Why not bomb America to stop American terrorists. FACT- more Americans are shot and killed by americans than by any other nation.
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The alternative to only talking is not "bombing the crap out of a country and killing civilians". Well not to normal people. To the less evolved it seems to be. Your solution is to do nothing I presume ? The majority of the British bombing thus far has been Islamic state oil refineries a far cry from your silly bonbing the crap out of a country for gods sake do some research before you post. The bombing in Iraq is with the invitation of the Iraq government the bombing by Russian forces is with the invitation of the Syrian government and tacit approval of the other forces Arab and other countries.
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The alternative to only talking is not "bombing the crap out of a country and killing civilians". Well not to normal people. To the less evolved it seems to be. Why are we less evolved then? Just because we don't agree with you? Pretty stupid thing to say really.
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Actually that analogy is quiet good, same thing we loved Hitler and Mussolini..the west that is..american business and money made Hitler and he and the nazi party were very popular in America. Had a chance to deal his army a major blow when they attacked spain with the fascists and we not only did nothing we supported Franco..and why ? well same as today, we prefer minority strict rule over majority rule..that is our form of democracy .
So in the middle east its the same..who are our allies down there? saudi and israel the two biggest ones..Saudi's teach sunni extremism and export it and israel is in breach of international court laws for decades and have subject the palestians to a brutal prison like existence and humiliation. Shia are our enemy down there because they want democracy and are not as extreme as the sunni's
So until we stop our hyprocrisy and greedy motives then we can't pretend we are saving anything by bombing and bombing.. will say it again, it is in writing ..this shia attack was pre-planned, u can read it in the neocons manifesto.
All these anti-muslim comparing to hitler stuff is pathetic if u can't address the fact that we support these guys in essence. The west is destroying the world for money..slaughter south america in the 80's,south east asia the decade before and now the military industry invented a terrorist army to spend money on. Nice anti western rant but the United Nations does not agree it recently passed a resolution requiring we tackle Islamic state by all means, all means meaning political and miliary. Which is what's happening and so it should Well that is not even strictly true, they couldn't pass it through chapter 7.Not that UN approval is something that matters to the West anyway. The west could reduce ISIS to nothing in weeks, no fly zones, pressure and sanctions on saudi and qatar ,support and implement the two state solution and ISIS disappears. But no we are going to follow the usual tactic bombs and ignoring our own complete hypocrisy.
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We supported the Taliban in 1996 too, wonder if that's what the people wanted, then changed their minds and asked us to bomb them.
Upto 500 civilians killed in Syria so far. Collateral damage I guess.
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