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There was one bloke on Question Time last night (can't remember his name) but he was a member of an extremist group because the west did nothing about the slaughter of Muslims in Bosnia I think it was so was saying than no action can also lead to disaffection and lead to Muslims joining these extremist groups. It is a very complex situation and doing nothing isn't an option but also bombing shouldn't be the only action.
As for arming them, yes, with hindsight we shouldn't have. But we did and we need to deal with it with whatever force is necessary if it comes to our shores. Shooting a suicide bomber in the leg will not stop him setting his bomb off and killing people. Maajid. Narwaz. He is been on question time before and talks sense this is a guy an ex jihadi and by the sound of it one of the more intelligent ones. He said several times bombing in Syria is necessary to contain IS and he would have voted for it but it's not the only solution. He also said we are getting too hung up on what went on before we must deal with the situation we have now which is not necessarily identical to what went on before especially in the Middle East which is immensely complex. I pretty much agreed with every word the guy said Caroline Lucas and Diane abbot were beyond pathetic and both are stealing a living. Yeah that's him. I didn't watch it all but he made the most sense out of all of them that I heard. Diane Abbot was, as you say, beyond pathetic and couldn't even answer the questions put to her.
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Did anyone read Nicolas Henin's article in the Independant?
Held captive for 10 months after being a journalist in the area. Seems to talk sense...
'The winner of this war will not be the party that has the newest, the most expensive or the most sophisticated weaponry, but the party that manages to win over people'
“We are just fuelling our enemies and fuelling the misery and disaster for the local people.”
“What we have to do – and this is really key – is we have to engage the local people. As soon as the people have hope for a political solution, the Islamic State will just collapse.
He also said we fell for the trap after they attacked Paris and called for closed borders. Same as people on here who claim we're inviting the terrorists onto our streets.
Yeah I read it. He makes sense if it was an ideal world. But it isn't and ISIS will continue regardless of us winning over the locals. That's not to say we shouldn't do it though.
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Did anyone read Nicolas Henin's article in the Independant?
Held captive for 10 months after being a journalist in the area. Seems to talk sense...
'The winner of this war will not be the party that has the newest, the most expensive or the most sophisticated weaponry, but the party that manages to win over people'
“We are just fuelling our enemies and fuelling the misery and disaster for the local people.”
“What we have to do – and this is really key – is we have to engage the local people. As soon as the people have hope for a political solution, the Islamic State will just collapse.
He also said we fell for the trap after they attacked Paris and called for closed borders. Same as people on here who claim we're inviting the terrorists onto our streets.
So we just have to think of some idea no one has ever thought of in the years of the Vienna UN discussions explain to it local people and Islamic state disappear no need for military intervention at all. That sounds plausible. And all the bad people in the world stop being bad and be nice and all wars stop? While we wait for that Islamic state carry on their brutality. 'The winner of this war will not be the party that has the newest, the most expensive or the most sophisticated weaponry, but the party that manages to win over people' What is about that that doesn't make sense Stan? Or should we just continue with the failed policies of our governments.
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According to Stan we should carry on repeating failed policy. Anyone can make a mistake once, or twice, but only an idiot can make the same mistake 15 times expecting a different outcome.
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The problem is they don't expect a different outcome, they know full well what the outcome will be.
If you can't understand getting the local population on side, limiting their recruitment, gaining the support of other islamist groups, rather than bombing civilians and justifying their message, I give up.
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I agree and think we should do it. But we also have to get rid of ISIS. I don't think the bombing alone is the answer to this either but they'll not send troops in that's for sure.
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Well the UK is now the prime suspected next target for ISIS according to intelligence reports. This is obviously a result of your vote and to the stupidity of this endless war we created. Elect someone that has an actual stated policy for making the middle east a better place not more of the same bombing crap that got us an endless war.
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so if don't do nothing isis leaves you alone yeah ! your dreaming Plenty to do in destroying ISIS what you lot are doing are making them bigger. Knowingly too
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not if the west implements sensible and just foreign policies in the middle east...haywire foreign policies that support the nutjobs only creates more even crazier nutjobs, and great we can bomb them in some places but they will always have propaganda to recruit...and the propaganda is correct, it is easy to paint the west as devils.
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so if don't do nothing isis leaves you alone yeah ! your dreaming Plenty to do in destroying ISIS what you lot are doing are making them bigger. Knowingly too Do you know how many millions died in the 2nd World War? If Hitler was left alone, I am sure less people woukd have died, but would it have been better now with the Nazi controlling the world? They would have eradicated non whites most probably or enslaved them. You also say that you don't consider the west a democracy, so what do you consider democracy, Iran or maybe Cuba?
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