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There is no "side" to be on in Syria the country is in civil war with multiple factions we are doing what we should do in this case trying to restore order under UN mandate we may be falling into an Isis trap but we might not anyone who things they have a roadmap answer is a fool I happen to think we are doing the best thing in the very difficult circumstances. The article is biased the liberal journalists of the notorious guardian simply look for someone who suits the story they want it's called journalism
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He does make some good points and we do have to look after the Syrian people. But ISIS will continue on regardless of what we do in that respect with the Syrians. To think they won't is naive and pretty stupid. ISIS need to be eradicated alongside engaging the Syrian people. I also think we'd have been onto a loser if we'd intervened there earlier. At the time of it starting I don't recall much support for western intervention but now because we didn't people say we should have. It's a no win for us in some respects.
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In the 2000's Syria told US intelligence they had an islamic fundamentalist problem, rising terroist groups etc.. they offered to use their experience and intelligence to weed them out. The US ignored them. They want to create these wars, as hard as that it to swallow. Sorry, anyone who thinks the US wants to spread democracy is very, very naive. You could argue it's impossible to have a capitalist democracy.
Regarding Kuwait, the US told Sadam he should consider re-drawing his borders with Kuwait. It's assumed he took this as 'invade'. As soon as the US objected, he tried to withdraw. Too late, the US put troops in Saudi Arabia and used it as an excuse to teach Sadam a lesson and show the world it's military muscle.
Sadam was a b**tard. But he was our B**tard.
Regarding the middle east before Iraq - do some research. Britain/France has been messing with the whole place since WW1 when the beloved Churchill said Oil is the future and we should secure the reserves there. They screwed over Saudi princes, redrew the maps and screwed each other over too. It's been a battlefield ever since. Watch the documentary Blood & Oil if you can drag yourself away from American Gladiators.
One more point. During the 80's Russia had terroist attacks eminating from Afghanistan. When they withdrew... the attacks stopped. They still had them from Chechnya though...
Seriously can't believe countries funded and fueled by corporations, aren't interested in money. They don't care about deficit's by the way, they don't care about me or you. The rich are getting richer, despite what kind of 'deficit' the economy is in.
If it's still not obvious, look up what happens to a country after it stops using the petrodolar....
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In the 2000's Syria told US intelligence they had an islamic fundamentalist problem, rising terroist groups etc.. they offered to use their experience and intelligence to weed them out. The US ignored them. They want to create these wars, as hard as that it to swallow. Sorry, anyone who thinks the US wants to spread democracy is very, very naive. You could argue it's impossible to have a capitalist democracy.
Regarding Kuwait, the US told Sadam he should consider re-drawing his borders with Kuwait. It's assumed he took this as 'invade'. As soon as the US objected, he tried to withdraw. Too late, the US put troops in Saudi Arabia and used it as an excuse to teach Sadam a lesson and show the world it's military muscle.
Sadam was a b**tard. But he was our B**tard.
Regarding the middle east before Iraq - do some research. Britain/France has been messing with the whole place since WW1 when the beloved Churchill said Oil is the future and we should secure the reserves there. They screwed over Saudi princes, redrew the maps and screwed each other over too. It's been a battlefield ever since. Watch the documentary Blood & Oil if you can drag yourself away from American Gladiators.
One more point. During the 80's Russia had terroist attacks eminating from Afghanistan. When they withdrew... the attacks stopped. They still had them from Chechnya though...
Seriously can't believe countries funded and fueled by corporations, aren't interested in money. They don't care about deficit's by the way, they don't care about me or you. The rich are getting richer, despite what kind of 'deficit' the economy is in.
If it's still not obvious, look up what happens to a country after it stops using the petrodolar.... So it took him 7 months to work out the US didn't mean he could invade??
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In the 2000's Syria told US intelligence they had an islamic fundamentalist problem, rising terroist groups etc.. they offered to use their experience and intelligence to weed them out. The US ignored them. They want to create these wars, as hard as that it to swallow. Sorry, anyone who thinks the US wants to spread democracy is very, very naive. You could argue it's impossible to have a capitalist democracy.
Regarding Kuwait, the US told Sadam he should consider re-drawing his borders with Kuwait. It's assumed he took this as 'invade'. As soon as the US objected, he tried to withdraw. Too late, the US put troops in Saudi Arabia and used it as an excuse to teach Sadam a lesson and show the world it's military muscle.
Sadam was a b**tard. But he was our B**tard.
Regarding the middle east before Iraq - do some research. Britain/France has been messing with the whole place since WW1 when the beloved Churchill said Oil is the future and we should secure the reserves there. They screwed over Saudi princes, redrew the maps and screwed each other over too. It's been a battlefield ever since. Watch the documentary Blood & Oil if you can drag yourself away from American Gladiators.
One more point. During the 80's Russia had terroist attacks eminating from Afghanistan. When they withdrew... the attacks stopped. They still had them from Chechnya though...
Seriously can't believe countries funded and fueled by corporations, aren't interested in money. They don't care about deficit's by the way, they don't care about me or you. The rich are getting richer, despite what kind of 'deficit' the economy is in.
If it's still not obvious, look up what happens to a country after it stops using the petrodolar.... Generally what do you want us to do say it's all our fault and accept our fate ? Re your first two sentences America did want you want and did not get involved are you saying they should have got involved ? And I thought the Islamic terrorist problem started in 2003 after Iraq according to emp the Middle East world authority. Incidently emp said Pakistan was in the Middle East I researched it's, it's nothing of the sort so he appears not to fully know where the Middle East is. And finally I find it hard to believe Syria asked America anything in 2000 Syria is a strong proxy of Russia hence why Russia are going in now.
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I havent seen anyone denounce the british for the crusades and say they were not christians...so why do you expect others to do it?
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I havent seen anyone denounce the british for the crusades and say they were not christians...so why do you expect others to do it? The crusades were countries from all over Europe not exclusively the British although we were involved. But agreed they were brutal and many Muslims were slaughtered but Muslims slaughtered Christians too. But it was 1000 years ago and we have moved on maybe they should
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No seriously, do explain...why do you expect people to condemn radical islam but not radical christianity.
They have all condemned the terrorist acts already.
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No seriously, do explain...why do you expect people to condemn radical islam but not radical christianity.
They have all condemned the terrorist acts already. Radical Christianity ? I am sure it exists but are you saying this is on a level with radical Islam ? And we should call it quits ?
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No seriously, do explain...why do you expect people to condemn radical islam but not radical christianity.
They have all condemned the terrorist acts already. I think the point they're making is that it happened a long time ago. It means nothing to denounce it now where as if current Muslim groups denounce ISIS it would most definitely mean something for the here and now.
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