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You completely missed the point, as always

I think emps point is this is entirely due to the west and the motive for the west is making money. Not sure how this works for my country the United Kingdom we are two trillion in debt and dispute government cuts over many years we still have a deficit. Our interventions in the Middle East were saddams invasion of Kuwait saddams geocide and general de-stablising the Middle East humanitarian in Libya but yes with hindsight errors were made and without doubt that helped create Isis. But as I keep saying ISIS is one of many Islamic terror groups right accross the world I remember 20 years ago going to Phuket and travelling in the Isalmic part of the Island it was totally segregated and very hostile I have also been to the Maldives where I remember the same hostility and customs searching your case not for drugs but looking for bibles. I have also grown up close to Islamic areas north Manchester and Yorkshire / Lancashire these are entirely segregated communities these are mostly safe but there are certain areas where being British and white you would need to take care for your safety areas of Oldham being an example. The idea this is entirely due to action in the Middle East is frankly ridiculous this is a clash of civilisations and has been going on since biblical times. Why it's extended in recent years is complicated you try to understand Middle East politics and it's impossible there are so many factions I don't think anyone understands it. But the Middle East is only a part the same could be said in parts of Asia and the Far East as well as western countries. What the answer is frankly I don't know but I do no there are no simple answers and the conflict is likely to be with us for a long time perhaps 50 years or more. The conflict will be on the battlefield and on the streets with hearts and minds. We might win we might lose but sitting back and awaiting our fate is not the answer it was not the answer for our grandparents and it's not the answer for us either. In terms of tonight I think the vote will be close but I think they will vote for the British to join in Syria I also think sooner or later unfortunetly the west will have to send in ground troops

Oh that makes it OK then

When did the west invade Kuwait by the way? I remember we liberated it but not invading?

The invasion of Kuwait was American troops dressed up as Iraq I know this because it was on a website called " we hate the imperislist west" which I think is an impartial source

If by liberating you mean we re-installed the ruling family which had fled the place thus totally throwing away an easy democracy chance then yeah we liberated it. And what did said ruling family do - declared the captured kuwait citizens cowards and possible Saddam spies and closed the border to them trapping them in Iraq.. West strikes again.

So what should they have done then? Leave Saddam to gas the poor fukkers?

You're just sounding stupid now!

I have been watching the debate on parliament for last 5 hours left and right wing MP,s far left including Jeremy Corbyn but not one of them has blamed the west entirely or said our past military actions were motivated only by making money. There is a huge range of views in the British parliment but not one has said that might it be because it's complete bollox ?

Omg again with the not reading properly...I just told you what they could have done regarding democracy and you twist that to letting saddam gas them - not that we had any problems with saddam gassing people before mind u

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/02/nicolas-henin-video-isis-syria-strikes


Some very fair points and possible solutions by this fella who would obviously have more hatred of ISIS than most. We are continuing the disaster for syrians and for our security too

OMG?! Are you 12?

Who should they have installed as a democratic leader then? Getting the rulers back in after liberating would've created some stability to get Kuwait back on it's feet.

You also said earlier that the Saudis wanted to go in (well invade as you put it) and them not being allowed is why the 9/11 attacks happened so maybe we should've left it to them to sort the democracy out?