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Oh and Libya - who is up and coming group there now..u guessed it ISIS..nice work

You are clutching at straws I have no idea whether that's true or not about the madrassas but do you really think all this trouble throughout UK is over that ? remember these are normally third or fourth generation born and raised in the UK most have never been outside the UK in their lives. They should be interested in the iPhone 6 and X factor not planning to kill because of some obscure matter in a country thousands of miles away. No one is more worked up than you emp about the Middle East madrassas and anything else your websites turn up but you are planning nothing are you ? I think emp you have got yourself in a hole with this you are being silly now

Wars are not obscure Stan..you are the only person acting silly taking about iphones, you never address anything..your theory is this is all mad fermented terrorism by a race that wants to take over the world, nothing to do with the West at all. That is fantasy land stuff. All I am doing is providing the evidence which correlates perfectly. You are taking total nonsense. Again how many ISIS style attacks in the UK or Europe before the Iraq war??????????????

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/international-politics/2014/04/inside-islams-terror-schools


The Maddrassas have completely changed the nature of Pakistan, the old moderate Islam replaced by the nutjob one. Not obscure matters

None but there were Islamic attacks both in the UK and in the world. ISIS is but one Islamic terror group there are dozens accross the world. ISIS is the latest incarnation and the most powerful one thing I will concede is they grew because of the power vacuum in Iraq Syria and Libya the lessons learned is the west cannot impose democracy something I said 400 posts ago. But the basic conflict is global and a clash of ideology that's undeniable and obvious. The conflict is in Australisia the Far East the Middle East Europe and the Americas almost the whole globe is this conflict. If anything evil America is the country being targeted least which makes a nonesense of your theories

There was one massive attack that lead to the Iraq war. Or was that the US government just so they could justify the war?

Yeah you said they can't impose democracy but that is a joke as everyone knows that is never the intention of the west. More of your complete propaganda nonsense, the west has never tried to impose democracy anywhere.

The other point I would like emp to consider is this. Once ISIS gained ground in the Middle East huge numbers of European Muslims born and raised in western societies numbering the many thousands went to join Isis in the bloodletting. Many of these played significant roles such as the infamous jihad John. Emp claims this is entirely due to American policy in the Middle East. Were this so you would naturally expect the counter voilence to be people in the Middle East attacking Americans. Yet Isis and Muslims from Europe are killing not the west but civilians in the Middle East. Western hostages were killed and this got much publicity but the vast majority of beheadings were done to Iraq and Syrian soldiers and civilians and much of this was done by muslin citizens of Britain America France Germany Belgium Australia. Can emp please explain ????????

I seem to remember internationally supervised elections in Iraq and other Middle East countries or did I imagine that ?

Yes you imagined it cause as usual you have no detail about it.. Bringing in foreigners that nobody knows and telling them to vote for this guy is not democracy Stan. The Americans did everything they could to stop elections for ages in Iraq cause Iranian aligned politicians were to the fore. The yanks destroyed every fabric of society in Iraq, and you call that democracy. Democracy by bombs