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It's OK you trying to wriggle out of it Sixties, we all know what you meant, but it's OK. You don't simply ask someone "hey how would you like it if there were was a 250m Islamic country at your doorstep?" if you aren't inferring something and all can see what context it was said in. It's OK though, you have your opinion which is slightly anti-muslim imo, but it is your opinion.


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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
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[quote=Stanley Park]And ninja it's already knocking on my door I live in an area under threat of Islamic terrorism ever day there have been lots of terror threats so far stopped by the security services and every time these days going to Manchester Trafford centre or the city centre people are looking over their shoulder yes it's not a full scale world war but hardly immune from it either most British cities are high risk but Manchester Birmingham London being the biggest are highest risk. [/quote

[b]how would u like a 250mil islam state at your doorstep like it is in oz] [/b]


You were saying?


yes I was saying what you posted was nothing like what I said in mine no mention of terrorists in mine but you said I said that why? all I said was there is a 250 mil muslim state on my doorstep what part of that is incorrect? or shouting there terrorists as you inferred I did ? as I said you make things up to suit your point tut tut ninj
plus the other stuff you blurted was in my post but its not in my post ninja! so I was saying you should apologize now for miss quoting me to gain emphasise on your post! what I posted is in actual fact a reality unlike your made up criticism of my post! and on a separate issue many hundreds of people have blown up in Indonesia and some 150 Australians as well which I think last time I looked it up was called terrorism ? yes



Is spontaneous combustion a real problem down there? I was gonna say perhaps we should campaign for some kinda military intervention against Australia, seeing that that is a very high number of people blowing up, but on second thought, if they are doing it on their own, why intervene?


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Originally Posted By: EMP
Simpletons can't get their heads around ISIS motivations and our role in creating them. Directly in Afghan and indirectly with Iraq War and drone strikes. People like this make the dystopian fantasy world of Orwell's 1984 all the more plausible


There you go insulting again when people don't agree with you! You lefties really are the most tolerant people you pretend to be!

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Originally Posted By: Ninja Skrtel
Also, absolutely no one is saying "do nothing and hope it goes away". We are saying stop creating more of them by bombing them and making their job of convincing people to join easier. We share saying gyour methods have not worked, they have made things worse.

Let's try another route, economic measures, true diplomacy and real help. Not exploitation.

You seem to think that whoever doesn't want war wants to sit on their Butte with their hands crossed. That though isyou covering your eyes refusing to see and admit that there are other possible ways of intervening.


But we are doing other things there is a convention ongoing in Vienna they are working round the clock to come up with a political solution likewise with the groups opposed to Assad we are not mindlessly bombing. The UN is involved. But we are dealing we a brutal death cult that's not just limited to Syria it's global and it's not just Islamic state there are other groups it demands a multi faceted approach and that's what we are trying to do


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Sixties is right to be concerned like Britain Australia has an Islamic problem and I know Australians have been concerned over Indonesia for many years one mentioned it to me on holiday once a good 40 years ago. A few months ago a plot was foiled to behead a veteran soldier at an Anzac parade. The attacker was to be an 18 year old Muslim Australian but he had been groomed by a 14 year old British Muslim from Blackburn. It's crazy stuff and if you think this is fantasy stuff remember we have had a British soldier beheaded on the streets of London. Emp will no doubt say this is our policy in the Middle East although he won't answer why it's Muslim westerners doing these things not people from thr Middle East. I also seem to recall a plot was foiled to behead civilians in Australia. So I don't think sixties is wrong to be concerned who wouldn't be ?


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Its not difficult to understand stan but I will give you a scenario..I have never been to Boston - if the Irish and American Govt's started bombing Boston the Irish in my country would go spare.

You have a poor community, not sure in uk but certainly in Europe its relatively poor, that have heritage links with the middle east.. The Iraq War was pure evil brought to us by scumbag cowboys talking about crusades, and then these Drone attacks which are extreme and round the clock terrorism ...you might not watch the vids of these things on utube but Muslims will, they will know muslim kids are terrified in their bones that any second they could be blown to bits or their mums could be . You can make up absolute farcical claims of "fermented terrorism" but I don't think you are convincing anybody - ISIS and terror attacks in Europe are a direct result of the War in Iraq and drone attacks. It cannot be a coincidence thats just stupid

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Originally Posted By: EMP
Its not difficult to understand stan but I will give you a scenario..I have never been to Boston - if the Irish and American Govt's started bombing Boston the Irish in my country would go spare.

You have a poor community, not sure in uk but certainly in Europe its relatively poor, that have heritage links with the middle east.. The Iraq War was pure evil brought to us by scumbag cowboys talking about crusades, and then these Drone attacks which are extreme and round the clock terrorism ...you might not watch the vids of these things on utube but Muslims will, they will know muslim kids are terrified in their bones that any second they could be blown to bits or their mums could be . You can make up absolute farcical claims of "fermented terrorism" but I don't think you are convincing anybody - ISIS and terror attacks in Europe are a direct result of the War in Iraq and drone attacks. It cannot be a coincidence thats just stupid


You might go spare if the British government bombed the Irish communities in Boston but I am pretty sure you would not strap a bomb and blow yourself up. A few insane individuals could but this is global and widespread the answer I believe is they see the Muslim faith as superior to all nationhood and all Muslims are a global community albeit there is the Sunni Shia conflict and no doubt other factions. That's the problem we are facing. As for the drones bombing etc you speak as if we are doing it to peaceful countries for a bit of fun. Let's look at one example Libya Gaddafi was about to slaughter thousands of people if we had done nothing as you presumably would have wanted then our screens would have been full of images of dead children and civilians then the cry would be "why did we allow this to happen" yet if we try to do something the cry goes up "we are bombing the crap out of Libya let's also not forget we send huge amounts of aid to the area. The west is trying to do the right thing albeit it's complex and mistakes are made and civilian casualties will happen but I happen to believe doing nothing will not only make things worse see genocide in the Middle East bit will eventually spread into our societies leading to the long term islamification of Europe


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And emp the Muslim community in the UK is not from the Middle East but Pakistan and Bangladesh where the west has done pretty much nothing except send aid. The terror threat us daily and widespread and within miles of my home. This morning 4 men were arrested in Luton for a terror plot never a week goes by without hearing this sort of thing


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Well you are wrong, and it looks like the majority of the people think that way too. This vote today does not represent the will of the people.
The current situation is because of our violence and more of our violence will be more dangerous for citizens in Europe not less. Terror attack numbers in Europe before Iraq War????? what just hadn't fermented enough yet I guess.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
And emp the Muslim community in the UK is not from the Middle East but Pakistan and Bangladesh where the west has done pretty much nothing except send aid. The terror threat us daily and widespread and within miles of my home. This morning 4 men were arrested in Luton for a terror plot never a week goes by without hearing this sort of thing


Pakistan just happens to be the place the Americans set up all the extreme Madrassas and is part of the middle east.

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